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I just realized that I haven't yet announced another Main Page of the Maritime forums that may, either eventually replace, or be used in conjunction with the other Main Page.
Here is the link to this "another Main Page:
http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/main/
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The following news item, reported by the news staff of Adventist Today is an interesting one. It clearly places Adventists in the public eye as to belief and practice.
It is of interest in that it suggests that the Church has never taken an official position against voting on public issues on the Sabbath.
The process by which the Republican Party is selecting a candidate to run for President of the United States is a major news story these days. One piece of the story is directly related to Seventh-day Adventists. The Nevada caucuses were held on Saturday, February 4, and the party leaders organized a special caucus after sundown for Jewish and Adventist Sabbath-keepers.
This caucus, at the Adelson public school in the suburbs west of Los Vegas, has become a cause of considerable criticism over the last week.
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“The announcement of the caucus for Sabbath-keepers did spark some conversation,” one Adventist member in the state told Adventist Today. “People wanted to know why we could not vote on the Sabbath.” In fact, it is not clear that the denomination has ever officially taken a position against members voting on Sabbath, although most would prefer not to since the Sabbath experience involves a general break from secular activities.
It is also unclear if any Adventists actually took advantage of the special, after-Sabbath Republican caucus in west Los Vegas. Public records do not include information about voters’ religious affiliation.
It is probably little known by Adventists that the question of voting on the Sabbath first surfaced in June of 1881.
NOTE: Documentation for what I say here can be found in: 1) White Estate Document File 274, entitled “The Des Moines, Iowa, Temperance experience.” 2) Arthur L. White, Ellen G. White, Vol. 3, The Lonely Years, 1876 – 1891, pages 159 & 160. 3) Review & Herald, July 5, 1881, which reported on a formal action taken related to the issue which resulted in the advice of Ellen White. My discussion of this issue is taken from the A.L. White book cited above.
In this early experience, prohibition was up for a vote in an election that was to be held on the Sabbath. In response the question as to whether or not Adventists should vote on the Sabbath, Ellen White said:
”Shall we vote for prohibition?” she asked. “Yes, to a man, everywhere,” she replied, “and perhaps I shall shock some of you if I say, If necessary, vote on the Sabbath day for prohibition if you cannot at any other time.”
Adventists, who are aware of that advice, generally understand it to mean that voting on moral issues on the Sabbath is acceptable according to what EGW Said. Some would not follow that advice in their personal lives. The any right of conscience is extended to individuals regardless of any official position of a denomination. On this basis, I commend the Republican Party in Nevada for holding a special caucus to protect the ability of “Sabbath-keepers” to participate under conditions that did not violate their principles.
But, I will note that there will likely be Adventists who were willing to participate in the scheduled Sabbath caucus. In view of the advice given by EGW, their principles should also be respected.
I expect that I may be asked what I would personally do. In the case of this Republican selection of a candidate for the office of the President of the U.S.A, if I could only participate during the hours of the Sabbath, I would not participate. Just my personal position. But, I would not want to judge someone else who made a different decision.
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I just got this message on Facebook, I'd like to encourage anyone who is able to attend to go. Sady I can't but I went on one of their tours over the semester break of the 1983-84 school year while I was at the seminary and I still daily thank God for that trip and use what I learned on that trip. The tour guide is not an Adventist, but a Methodist Archaeologist, Dr. Jim Fleming, but he is moderate and has a lot of outstanding information that will make the Bible come alive and make you proud to be an Adventist. I hope everyone who can go will go it will greatly enrich your life:
Biblical Resources, LLC
Dear friends, I will be guiding a group to Israel in May 6-19, 2012, want to join me for the trip?
www.explorationsinantiquity.com, or www.biblicalresources.net,
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http://www.stanet.ch/apd/news/2968.html
On 20 June 2011 the European Sunday Alliance was formed on the occasion of an expert conference on Sunday Protection at the seat of the European Economic and Social Committee (EESC) in Brussels. The European Sunday Alliance is a network of existing national Sunday alliances, trade unions, civil society organizations and religious communities which promotes fair and balanced work conditions and the harmony of a balanced lifestyle comprising work, family and free time to strengthen social cohesion. The alliance further requests for Sundays to be work free in the new working guidelines (2003/88/EG) to be negotiated among EU member states.
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As the Christian Network is named as being 3ABN in the news link below, this is of particular interest to Seventh-day Adventists, and should also be of particular interest to the SDA Church organization:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/...0,3558847.story
NOTE: Any discussion here will be limited to what is revealed in the news article itself.
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I got this article emailed to my by my sister, here are some excerpts:
"Adventists grow as other churches decline
Mar 16, 2011 by G. Jeffrey MacDonald
(RNS) Rest on the Sabbath. Heed Old Testament dietary codes. And be ready for Jesus to return at any moment.
If these practices sound quaint or antiquated, think again. They're hallmarks of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the fastest-growing Christian denomination in North America.
Newly released data show Seventh-day Adventism growing by 2.5 percent in North America, a rapid clip for this part of the world, where Southern Baptists and mainline denominations, as well as other church groups are declining. Adventists are even growing 75 percent faster than Mormons (1.4 percent), who prioritize numeric growth.
For observers outside the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the growth rate in North America is perplexing.
"You've got a denomination that is basically going back to basics ... saying, `What did God mean by all these rules and regulations and how can we fit in to be what God wants us to be?'," said Daniel Shaw, an expert on Christian missionary outreach at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. "That's just totally contrary to anything that's happening in American culture. So I'm saying, `Whoa! That's very interesting.' And I can't answer it."
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Here is a link to the full article.......
http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2011-03/adventists-grow-other-churches-decline
and a many other news media had it also...
http://www.ongo.com/v/592716/-1/3120B76B...nds-new-members
http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/DK/20...hurches-decline
http://anglicansablaze.blogspot.com/2011/03/adventists-grow-as-other-churches.html
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Seventh-Day Adventists and abortion Christians of all denominations are gathering on the National Mall today to protest the 38th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide. But one denomination that may be sparsely represented is Seventh-day Adventists whose large worldwide network of 170 hospitals allows elective abortions. This stance was revealed last week when Maryland state regulators gave Holy Cross Hospital, a Catholic institution, permission to build a hospital in growing northern Montgomery County, shutting out the Seventh-day Adventists, who also wanted to build a hospital in the area. Some abortion rights advocates opposed Holy Cross's selection because it does not allow abortions. Adventists resemble many conservative Protestant denominations as they believe in divinely inspired Scripture, six literal days of Creation, justification by faith and baptism by immersion. Their distinctive rites include worshiping on Saturday, the seventh day of the week as opposed to Sunday, an emphasis on the Second Coming of Christ and an emphasis on following Jewish dietary laws concerning abstinence from pork, shellfish and other foods proscribed as "unclean" in the Old Testament. The denomination is known for its emphasis on health. Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited and many Adventists are vegetarians. But the denomination may be the only theologically conservative Protestant group that allows elective abortions. Many of their own members didn't know that their worldwide hospital network performed the procedure, which has been quite the discussion on the Adventists for Life Facebook page. A number of posters were shocked to learn the denomination's stance. "I can't belong to a organization who advocates abortion," one poster wrote. "I believe in Christ my Saviour, the Sabbath & etc. I believe in Sister White also," referring to Ellen G. White, one of the revered founders of the denomination. Another poster said that Adventists opposed abortion until 1970. That is when Hawaii legalized abortion and Castle Memorial Hospital, an Adventist institution in Kailua, Hawaii, the poster said, was pressured by its own doctors, and donors, to start offering abortions. At the time, Adventist leaders in Washington indicated they did not oppose the procedure and thus, more Adventist hospitals began offering the procedure. In 1992, the denomination issued these guidelines on abortion. The official position of the church is that abortion is allowed in "extraordinary circumstances." SDA evangelist Kevin Paulson has given the longest defense of the church's position here where he agrees the church essentially has no restrictions on the practice and might do well to restrict it more. "Many [Adventists] are forming opinions about abortion," he wrote, "not from the study of Scripture or the Spirit of Prophecy (Ellen G. White's) writings, but from listening to popular Christian leaders like James Dobson, Tim LaHaye, Franky Schaeffer, and Bill Gothard," all of whom oppose abortion. "Sincere though they may be, these men espouse many theological errors and have no understanding of God's truth for this time," Paulson wrote. "Seventh- day Adventists should listen to such persons with extreme care and discriminating judgment. ...Among the Adventist pioneers, J.N. Andrews and John Harvey Kellogg wrote against abortion, yet the writings of Ellen White maintain the silence of Scripture on the subject... We find it interesting that when Ellen White speaks of the "earliest moments" of our children, she speaks of birth, not conception," he concluded. Is the Seventh-day Adventists' heavy focus on healthful practices inconsistent with its position on abortion? Tell us in the comments section. By Julia Duin | January 24, 2011; 9:51 AM ET | Category: Under God Save & Share: Send E-mail Facebook Twitter Digg Yahoo Buzz Del.icio.us StumbleUpon Technorati The Washington Post, Seventh Day Adventists & Abortion
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For those who may have been following this over the years and especially when we had a forum devoted to discussing the issues pertaining to 3ABN, both 3ABN and Danny Shelton dropped their lawsuit against Joy and Pickle over a year ago, however, Joy and Pickle are still appealing this for the reason that they could launch the same lawsuit against them later on, which is the basis for their appeal.
If they so choose, Joy and Pickle, as well as 3ABN and Danny Shelton are welcome to respond to this here in this thread.
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I discovered that the forums were offline for a time this morning, therefore, if you experienced this, and, if you experience it again, when you are back online again, please let me know about it here.
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It is Campmeeting time here in the Maritime Conference that is keeping me busy doing the Daily Newsletter referred to as the Campmeeting Chronicle.
We have Steve Wohlberg at the 4:00 p.m. meeting from Sunday to Thursday inclusive.
We also have Dan Jackson, our new North American Division President, at the 7:15 p.m. meeting that he is doing nightly to July 31st inclusive.
We also have Bill Liversidge doing the 9:00 a.m. meetings from Sunday to Friday inclusive.
We also have Ron Woolsey doing the 10:50 a.m. meetings from Monday to Friday inclusive.
Tell us about your 2010 campmeeting, whether here in Canada, in the USA, or elsewhere in this world of our's.
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Oakwood University is in competition with 61 other Universities and Colleges as part of Home Depot's Retool Your School grant program.
Continuing its long-standing history of support within the African American community, The Home Depot is launching the “Retool Your School” grant program designed to provide improvements to Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) nationwide. As part of this unique program, The Home Depot will make a donation equal to five percent of the face value of three new commemorative HBCU gift cards, up to $150,000, for grants for on-campus improvement projects.
To acquire additional information and to vote click on:
http://homedepotretoolyourschool.com/vote-now.aspx
You will be given a number in the upper right of the screen that must be entered to vote. Please pass this on to every one. Let's support higher education. Thank you for voting, your prompt attention is solicited.
NOTE: You can vote once every day. If you really want to support Oakwood, vote everyday.
Voting ends May 15.
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Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
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