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North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ #174844
07/02/15 02:41 PM
07/02/15 02:41 PM
Green Cochoa  Offline OP
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The United Methodist Church membership has declined since they began ordaining women. The next step, of course, was ordained LGBTIQ clergy.

I don't know how to make the attached image appear for the chart that shows the decline. You may have to click to download it.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

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The United Methodist Church membership has declined since they began ordaining women.

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #174846
07/02/15 03:05 PM
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Doug Batchelor has already displayed this "image of the beast".

Is that supposed to be our teacher when Ellen White has so clearly told us that certain women are to be ordained?

Because the enemy fails, is that a reason why we should follow Rome and be disobedient to the call from our Lord?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #174848
07/02/15 03:24 PM
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The Presbyterian Church membership, after an initial boon, dramatically declined following their decision to ordain women.

Ordaining homosexuals did not rout their decline.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

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The Presbyterian Church membership, after an initial boon, dramatically declined following their decision to ordain women.
Last edited by Green Cochoa; 07/02/15 03:26 PM.

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #174849
07/02/15 03:51 PM
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The Episcopalian Church membership has declined since ordaining women. Ordaining homosexuals did not halt the decline.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

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The Episcopalian Church membership has declined since ordaining women. Ordaining homosexuals did not halt the decline.

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #174850
07/02/15 04:00 PM
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The Lutheran Church membership has dropped following its experiment with ordaining women and homosexuals.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

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The Lutheran Church experiment with ordaining women and homosexuals has resulted in declining membership.

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #174851
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The Baptist Church membership has seen no sharp decline. It does not ordain women, nor homosexuals.



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Green Cochoa.

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The Baptist Church membership has seen no sharp decline. It does not ordain women, nor homosexuals.

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #174852
07/02/15 04:10 PM
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Seventh-day Adventist membership has consistently climbed, while not ordaining women nor homosexuals as pastors or elders.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

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Seventh-day Adventist membership has consistently climbed, while not ordaining women nor homosexuals as pastors or elders.

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #175059
07/07/15 05:18 AM
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A very unscientific correlation.
There are a lot of variables at play as to why some churches are declining while others show growth.

Taking one variable out of dozens of possible reasons why churches are declining isn't really logical.

There are much more probable reasons for the decline-- like:

1. The decline of "Sunday school" (our equivalent of Sabbath School) The common practice in the 1950s was for children and adults both going to Sunday school and then to the worship service. This began to change during the 1960s and 1970s as churches began to drop adult lesson study period, and began scheduling children’s Sunday school during the worship service.

This had a two fold problem --
a. adults weren't studying scripture together on any regular basis, thus loosing the blessing such a habit brings.
b. children weren't being integrated into the worship service and when they grew up they stopped going to church.

Now do a study to see which churches did this and which kept a strong "Sunday" or Sabbath School going.


2. Ministers (these are male) began preaching on social issues rather than bible based sermons (the social gospel).

3. Ingrown churches, no longer actively reaching out to the community, focused only on their members and gradually found they had mainly elderly members left, due to lose of youth combined with declining birth rates robbing them of generational replenishment.

4. The general secularization and materialism in American (and Canadian) society, along with the abundant media and entertainment stimulus all around, causes many people to think of church as "boring".

There are numerous other variables that caused decline and most of them happened while male ministers were standing in the pulpits.

Re: North American Religious News re: Women and LGBTIQ [Re: Green Cochoa] #175061
07/07/15 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
The Baptist Church membership has seen no sharp decline. It does not ordain women, nor homosexuals.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


Two media report today that the Southern Baptist memership has now declined for the 7th year in a row.


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