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Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? #148355
12/24/12 06:21 PM
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Early Christians protested the heathen day of worship. Mithra originally was an ancient god of Iran worshiped as a god of strength and war. By the first century, it was transformed into the leading sun god of the western world. Romans called him, Sol Invictus. Mithraism came complete with a cleverly conterfeited dying-rising savior, a special religious supper, a weekly holy day, and baptism of converts. It also included athletic feats of skill and war-like manliness. The fifth century western church ordered its celebration.

About the time of Christ, the days of the week were given names indicating which god ruled over it, with the most important god, Mithra, given the first day of the week, the day of the sun, or sun day. The week was known as the planetory week. Although the day's names were new, sun worship was not new but had been worshipped long before this time and was considered the earliest form of idolatry. Such is evidenced in the Bible.

Job 31:26 If I beheld the sun when it shined, or the moon walking in brightness;
27 And my heart hath been secretly enticed, or my mouth hath kissed my hand:
28 This also were an iniquity to be punished by the judge: for I should have denied the God that is above.

Jer 43:12 And I will kindle a fire in the houses of the gods of Egypt; and he shall burn them, and carry them away captives: and he shall array himself with the land of Egypt, as a shepherd putteth on his garment; and he shall go forth from thence in peace.
13 He shall break also the images of Bethshemesh, that is in the land of Egypt; and the houses of the gods of the Egyptians shall he burn with fire.

(Bethshemesh: 1053 - house of the sun)

2Ki 21:3 For he built up again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars for Baal, and made a grove, as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.
(grove: 842 - Asherah or Astarte, a Phoenician goddess)

2Ki 23:4 ¶ And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.
(grove: 842 - Asherah or Astarte, a Phoenician goddess)
5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.

2Ki 23:11 And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which was in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire.

Eze 8:13 ¶ He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

Zep 1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;


By the middle of the second century, Emperor Aurelian, whose mother was a priestess of the sun, made sun worship the official religion of the Roman empire. Priests of the templ of the Sun at Rome were called "pontiffs". The pagans called their god, "Lord Mithra" and his day of worship, "The Lord's Day". The Christians in Alexanderia and Rome tried to justify their worship of Mithra by saying this was the same Lord's day or Sabbath of the Bible.

Constantine, in 321 A.D. decreed the first Sunday Law commanding rest on "the Venerable Day of the Sun". At the time, Constantine, still a worshiper of Sol Invictus, was the "Pontifix Maximus", or the supreme pagan pontiff of the state religion.

While the celebrated day of Mithra was established for December 25, no date had been established by the middle of the third century for celebrating Jesus' birth. Various dates were presented for the official celebration of the birth of Jesus: January 2, January 6, March 21, April 18 or 19, and May 20 were among several. It wasn't until the fourth century that the commemoration of Christ's birth was included in the Feast of Epiphany on January 6 at most places. About 330 A.D., the church of Rome assigned December 25 as the celebration of the birth of Christ. Even though many Eastern churches kept other dates, by the end of the fourth century, the customs of Rome became universal.

Even though Rome stated the actual date of Christ's birth was unknown, various traditions made up explanations for the choice of the date. Without any reason given for Rome's choice of the date, one is left to consider if the date was chosen to inspire the people to turn from their worship of the sun to the worship of the Son.


The winter solstice occurs on December 21 with the first observable return of the sun being December 25 - "the birth of the sun god". This is the day Mithraists celebrated the birth of their god.

It was also the Roman feast of Saturnalia, which began on December 17 and lasted for 7 days with licentiousness and gambling and exchange of gifts such as candles to symbolize the increase of sunlight after the winter solstice. Many of the customs were transferred to the celebration of Christmas.

While attempts have been made to whitewash Mithra and morph it into some kind of Christian celebration, can any amount of whitewash remove the evil origins and intent? Given the origins of a pagan holiday, so evil and sinister, planned and designed by satan in an attempt to usurp the Creator God, should Christians have anything to do with such a holiday?

Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: kland] #148365
12/24/12 09:07 PM
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No, Christians should not celebrate Mithra.

Are you celebrating the fact that the days are now getting longer again as if nature were god, and worshipping the sun? or are you reflecting on Jesus, Who left the heavenly throne and took on humanity to bring salvation to the sin darkened world?

The incarnation and birth of Christ is a theme we should never renounce.

I have heard too many zealous Christians denouncing "the babe in a manger" as if any attention to that event belittled Christ and destroyed the judgment message.
It has caused me to realize this movement to remove a time to reflect on Christ's birth is not of God.

For years Christmas was a joyous time in our lives -- a time for family, a time to reflect on Christ's birth, a time to help those who had little. We all knew santa and that stuff was just a bunch of fairy tales trying to eclipse the real. The thought of worshipping the sun or a tree never even entered into our thoughts, any more than thinking to worship a big bouquet of flowers brought into the house. We knew the worldly partying and over indulgence was not what it was all about.

But lately it seems people LOVE to point out a lot of pagan history turning people away from the truth of the miracle of Christ's birth by bringing up all this pagan stuff.

I mean -- there are people who won't come to church in December because songs are being sung dealing with Christ's birth. Why would people think it wrong to sing these songs?
What event brought the angels of heaven to earth sing praises of joy over the hills of Bethlehem?

If a person looks at paganism not only will they shun the time, they will eventually also shun the whole virgin birth story.
And even the Sabbath -- as paganism made considerable effort to blacken Saturday.

The counterfeits abound -- Satan has planted counterfeits to try and eclipse every truth.

No don't worship any sun, moon or stars, but why throw out the real with the counterfeit?

Celebrate Christ's birth -- His taking the characteristics of humanity to be our brother and Savior.

Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: dedication] #148370
12/24/12 11:16 PM
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Well said Dedication. I see nothing wrong with taking a day that pagans intended for the celebration of a pagan deity and instead using it to reflect on the marvel of the incarnation. God created time and it is appropriate to celebrate God's goodness all the more whenever Satan attempts to draw us toward himself by claiming days for himself. One thing also to keep us safeguarded regarding holidays is to always remember God's Holy Day -- the 7th.

Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: Alpendave] #148409
12/26/12 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dave Mullbock
Well said Dedication. I see nothing wrong with taking a day that pagans intended for the celebration of a pagan deity and instead using it to reflect on the marvel of the incarnation. God created time and it is appropriate to celebrate God's goodness all the more whenever Satan attempts to draw us toward himself by claiming days for himself. One thing also to keep us safeguarded regarding holidays is to always remember God's Holy Day -- the 7th.
And likewise we should worship on Sun day to celebrate the resurrection of our risen Lord. Even though pagans may celebrate the sun, we can celebrate the Son! It is all the more important to celebrate God's goodness on those days of evil.

No?

I think not! You two use the same arguments as the Constantine and the sunday keepers do. Christmas is very anti-Christian in general and even more so anti-Adventist in specifics. Shall we worship the evil one on the day of his making, the beginning of the enforcement of sunday laws, and the same one who will cause us to be killed? God forbid! You need way more whitewash and it will come up way short.

Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: kland] #148417
12/26/12 05:02 PM
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Sabbath, the 7th day is a holy day, blessed and hallowed by the Lord and set within the heart of the ten commandments asking us to remember.

There is nothing sacred or hallow about Dec. 25. In fact we have our family gatherings whenever all the family can get together which this year will be next week. We spent Dec. 25 getting the house ready for company!

It's not the day -- it's the season, and we do well to honour Christ's birth and reflect on the incarnation in a special way each year. During the Easter/Passover season we reflect in a special way on Christ's death and resurrection. We need seasons of special reflection on the great events of salvation history.

What is happening in too many of our churches is an element of outright hostility to the "babe in a manger" as if it were anti-Christian and pagan. So much so that all of December they refuse to come to church because they might have to hear the story or sing songs about it.

Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: dedication] #148418
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Originally Posted By: EGW
The Day Not to Be Ignored.
Christmas is coming. May you all have wisdom to make it a precious season. Let the older church members unite, heart and soul, with their children in this innocent amusement and recreation, in devising ways and means to show true respect to Jesus by bringing to him gifts and offerings.{RH, December 9, 1884 par. 9}

--As the twenty-fifth of December is observed to commemorate the birth of Christ, as the children have been instructed by precept and example that this was indeed a day of gladness and rejoicing, you will find it a difficult matter to pass over this period without giving it some attention. It can be made to serve a very good purpose. {AH 478.1}
The youth should be treated very carefully. They should not be left on Christmas to find their own amusement in vanity and pleasure seeking, in amusements which will be detrimental to their spirituality. Parents can control this matter by turning the minds and the offerings of their children to God and His cause and the salvation of souls. {AH 478.2}
The desire for amusement, instead of being quenched and arbitrarily ruled down, should be controlled and directed by painstaking effort upon the part of the parents. Their desire to make gifts may be turned into pure and holy channels and made to result in good to our fellow men by supplying the treasury in the great, grand work for which Christ came into our world. Self-denial and self-sacrifice marked His course of action. Let it mark ours who profess to love Jesus because in Him is centered our hope of eternal life. {AH 478.3}

The Interchange of Gifts as Tokens of Affection.-- The holiday season is fast approaching with its interchange of gifts, and old and young are intently studying what they can bestow upon their friends as a token of affectionate remembrance. It is pleasant to receive a gift, however small, from those we love. It is an assurance that
we are not forgotten, and seems to bind us to them a little closer. . . . {AH 478.4}

It is right to bestow upon one another tokens of love and remembrance if we do not in this forget God, our best friend. We should make our gifts such as will prove a real benefit to the receiver. I would recommend such books as will be an aid in understanding the word of God or that will increase our love for its precepts. Provide something to be read during these long winter evenings. {AH 479.1}

Books for Children Are Recommended.--There are many who have not books and publications upon present truth. Here is a large field where money can be safely invested. There are large numbers of little ones who should be supplied with reading. ... The many trifles usually spent on candies and useless toys may be treasured up with which to buy these volumes. . . . {AH 479.2}

Let those who wish to make valuable presents to their children, grandchildren, nephews, and nieces procure for them the children's books mentioned. For young people the Life of Joseph Bates is a treasure; also the .. volumes of The Spirit of Prophecy. These volumes should be placed in every family in the land. God is giving light from heaven, and not a family should be without it.

Let the presents you shall make be of that order which will shed beams of light upon the pathway to heaven. {AH 479.3}

Jesus Not to Be Forgotten.--Brethren and sisters, while you are devising gifts for one another, I would remind you of our heavenly Friend, lest you should be unmindful of His claims. Will He not be pleased if we show that we have not forgotten Him? Jesus, the Prince of life, gave all to bring salvation within our reach. . . . He suffered even unto death, that He might give us eternal life. {AH 480.1}



Christmas--a Time to Honor God.--By the world the holidays are spent in frivolity and extravagance, gluttony and display. . . . But it is our privilege to depart from the customs and practices of this degenerate age; and instead of expending means merely for the gratification of the appetite or for needless ornaments or articles of clothing, we may make the coming holidays an occasion in which to honor and glorify God. {AH 480.3}

Christ should be the supreme object; but as Christmas has been observed, the glory is turned from Him to mortal man, whose sinful, defective character made it necessary for Him to come to our world.
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{AH 480.4}
Jesus, the Majesty of heaven, the royal King of heaven, laid aside His royalty, left His throne of glory, His high command, and came into our world to bring to fallen man, weakened in moral power and corrupted by sin, aid divine. He clothed his divinity with humanity, that he might reach to the very depths of human woe and misery, to lift up fallen man. By taking upon himself man's nature, he raised humanity in the scale of moral value with God. These great themes are almost too high, too deep, too infinite, for the comprehension of finite minds. {AH 481.1}

Parents should keep these things before their children and instruct them, line upon line, precept upon precept, in their obligation to God--not their obligation to each other, to honor and glorify one another by gifts and offerings. {AH 481.2}

Turn Thoughts of the Children Into a New Channel.-- There are many things which can be devised with taste and cost far less than the unnecessary presents that are so frequently bestowed upon our children and relatives, and thus courtesy can be shown and happiness brought into the home. {AH 481.3}
Like the wise men of old, you may offer to God your best gifts and show by your offerings to Him that you appreciate His Gift to a sinful world. Set your children's thoughts running in a new, unselfish channel by inciting them to present offerings to God for the gift of His only-begotten Son.
482
{AH 481.4}
"Shall We Have a Christmas Tree?"-- Letters of inquiry have come to us asking, Shall we have a Christmas tree? Will it not be like the world? We answer, You can make it like the world if you have a disposition to do so, or you can make it as unlike the world as possible. There is no particular sin in selecting a fragrant evergreen and placing it in our churches, but the sin lies in the motive which prompts to action and the use which is made of the gifts placed upon the tree. {AH 482.1}

The tree may be as tall and its branches as wide as shall best suit the occasion; but let its boughs be laden with the golden and silver fruit of your beneficence, and present this to Him as your Christmas gift. Let your donations be sanctified by prayer. {AH 482.2}

Christmas and New Year celebrations can and should be held in behalf of those who are helpless. God is glorified when we give to help those who have large families to support. {AH 482.3}

A Tree Laden With Offerings Is Not Sinful.--Let not the parents take the position that an evergreen placed in the church for the amusement of the Sabbath school scholars is a sin, for it may be made a great blessing. Keep before their minds benevolent objects. In no case should mere amusement be the object of these gatherings. While there may be some who will turn these occasions into seasons of careless levity, and whose minds will not receive the divine impress, to other minds and characters
these seasons will be highly beneficial. I am fully satisfied that innocent substitutes can be devised for many gatherings that demoralize. {AH 482.4}

Provide Innocent Enjoyment for the Day.--Will you not arise, my Christian brethren and sisters, and gird yourselves for duty in the fear of God, so arranging this matter that it shall not be dry and uninteresting, but full of innocent enjoyment that shall bear the signet of Heaven? I know the poorer class will respond to these suggestions. The most wealthy should also show an interest and bestow their gifts and offerings proportionate to the means with which God has entrusted them. Let there be recorded in the heavenly books such a Christmas as has never yet been seen because of the donations which shall be given for the sustaining of the work of God and the upbuilding of His kingdom. {AH 483.1}

Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: dedication] #148423
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It is a sad experience to see how the words of Ellen G White is rejected on this point.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Johann, do you know any SDA clergy who believe and follow EGW's counsel?

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Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: gordonb1] #148444
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1

Johann, do you know any SDA clergy who believe and follow EGW's counsel?

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Do you know any who do not?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should Christians celebrate Mithra - the birth of the sun god? [Re: Johann] #148445
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No one is saying that Christmas is holy or set apart by God. Kland, your argument is a striking example of a straw man.

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