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Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible #69743
03/01/05 03:00 PM
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I came across a web site after listening to the person on 3ABN who was responsible for that web site.

The information contained in that web site provides scientific evidence for an instantaneous creation rather than a slow millions of years of accidental evolving of the planet earth and subsequent life on that planet.

Here is the main link to that web site:

http://www.halos.com

Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible #69744
03/03/05 05:17 AM
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The two videos at

http://www.halos.com/videos/streaming-video.htm

are simply outstanding.

Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible #69745
03/06/05 09:29 PM
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I haven't seen the videos yet, however, I did spend a great deal of time reading some of the scientific evidence on this site that scientifically proves an instantaneousness creation rather than a slow evolutionary process of millions of years or more that the evolutionists claimed evolved from a big bang.

Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible #69746
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I am beginning to wonder if anyone carefully read the Genesis account of creation. Do you really believe it is possible for water to be in existence BEFORE the first day of creation began?


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Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Darius] #148739
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Been looking at this site again after watching something on Amazing Discoveries TV by Dr. Robert Gentry and his son.

The videos on the following link came to my attention:

http://www.halos.com/videos/streaming-video.htm#ut

Especially this one, where somebody tried to refute him:

http://www.halos.com/videos/ut-1987-320x240-273k.htm

You can see the whole presentation here:

http://www.halos.com/videos/ut-1987-full-320x240-273k.htm


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Daryl] #148756
01/05/13 07:03 AM
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I watched the whole thing. It was worth it. It goes hand in hand with the Sabbath school lessons for the first two weeks of this year.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Green Cochoa] #148757
01/05/13 07:54 AM
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Regarding Robert Gentry's claims of an instantaneous creation, I think I can agree 100% with his evidence for that. However, perhaps he has yet to answer why said creation should be limited to having occurred six millennia ago. The fact is, once the polonium had made its halos in the rock, there is nothing further to tell us how long ago that event occurred. The rock cannot inform us definitively as to the passage of time since the event of its creation. All the halos do is to substantiate the Bible in that "He commanded and it stood fast." It was an instant creation. But we know not when it occurred.

The Genesis account clearly speaks of the water and the land mass as having pre-existed Creation Week when all life on earth was created and when the earth itself was given form. The land was covered in water up to that time, and by the Word was transformed into dry land which God then named "Earth." But there is no indication in the Biblical record for how long the water and the wet land existed prior to the beginning of that special week in which they were given meaning.

Did God create both the land and the water? Certainly. But they were already there when He chose to develop them further in what would place life in them--the six days of Creation Week.

For this reason, I have no clear argument against the earth being millions of years old. However, any fossils or sedimentary layers containing fossils (cretacious rock) would necessarily be no more than six thousand years old. Where Dr. Gentry is finding his radiohalos, in granite, is rock that we have no way of dating presently, to the best of my knowledge. Dr. Gentry may choose to believe that the evidence points toward the elements themselves being no more than 6000 years old, yet the Bible does not limit us to merely this option. In fact, the implication is there that the elements existed long before Creation Week.

"In the beginning..." seems to place the creation of Heaven and Earth at the same time. There are several ways of interpreting this. Some believe that God's own heavenly home was created at that time and that all stars and planets were created together just six thousand years ago. But that the celestial Heaven pre-existed Creation Week is evident in the story of the rebellion and war there which occurred prior to our Creation Week.

Consider the following statements by Mrs. White.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Thus under a new disguise the great rebel still carries forward his warfare against God, begun in Heaven, and for nearly six thousand years continued upon the earth. {GC88 552.2}


The controversy started in heaven first, and later came to earth.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Before the entrance of evil, there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator's will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,—one in nature, in character, and in purpose,—the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. ... Before his fall, Lucifer was first of the covering cherubs, holy and undefiled. ... “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so; thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” [Ezekiel 28:12-15, 17.] ... All Heaven had rejoiced to reflect the Creator's glory and to show forth his praise. And while God was thus honored, all had been peace and gladness. But a note of discord now marred the celestial harmonies. The service and exaltation of self, contrary to the Creator's plan, awakened forebodings of evil in minds to whom God's glory was supreme. The heavenly councils pleaded with Lucifer. The Son of God presented before him the greatness, the goodness, and the justice of the Creator, and the sacred, unchanging nature of his law. God himself had established the order of Heaven; and in departing from it, Lucifer would dishonor his Maker, and bring ruin upon himself. But the warning, given in infinite love and mercy, only aroused a spirit of resistance. Lucifer allowed jealousy of Christ to prevail, and he became the more determined. ... God, in his great mercy, bore long with Lucifer. He was not immediately degraded from his exalted station when he first indulged the spirit of discontent, nor even when he began to present his false claims before the loyal angels. Long was he retained in Heaven. Again and again he was offered pardon, on condition of repentance and submission. Such efforts as only infinite love and wisdom could devise, were made to convince him of his error. The spirit of discontent had never before been known in Heaven. Lucifer himself did not at first see whither he was drifting; he did not understand the real nature of his feelings. But as his dissatisfaction was proved to be without cause, Lucifer was convinced that he was in the wrong, that the divine claims were just, and that he ought to acknowledge them as such before all Heaven. Had he done this, he might have saved himself and many angels. He had not at this time fully cast off his allegiance to God. Though he had forsaken his position as covering cherub, yet if he had been willing to return to God, acknowledging the Creator's wisdom, and satisfied to fill the place appointed him in God's great plan, he would have been re-instated in his office. But pride forbade him to submit. He persistently defended his own course, maintained that he had no need of repentance, and fully committed himself, in the great controversy, against his Maker.


This passage indicates that the rebellion in Heaven took time. It took time for the seeds of doubt, pride and jealousy to take root in Lucifer's mind. It took time for his rebellion to mature. God bore long with him. If this has any comparison to how long God has borne with us, it may have been much longer than many suppose. But more than any of this, these passages imply an existence in Heaven that predates sin--an existence that may have lasted for ages before sin ever entered. Heaven existed before our Creation Week. How else could we be the "crowning act?" The final, and best of God's creations could only have come after other creations were already made. The universe, therefore, cannot be dated the same as our own period of existence as human beings.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Green Cochoa] #148767
01/05/13 06:52 PM
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Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Green Cochoa] #148768
01/05/13 08:08 PM
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Today's Sabbath School lesson tells me that creation must be viewed and accepted by faith. Why do we then need any scientific evidence? Then faith is not needed.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Johann] #148786
01/05/13 11:59 PM
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Seems to me that God also gives us something tangible to hang our faith onto, does He not?

Prior to the Flood, they had the Garden of Eden and the angel guarding access to the Tree of Life. I would call this tangible evidence for them back then.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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