The Dynamics of Eating Flesh Food & Vegetarian Food

That's what I was referring to when I said something clean biblically could in reality become unclean as in unhealthy.

I am not aware that the Bible actually speaks about any such transition, however, I believe the writings of EGW does.

Eating meat is a sin unless all the blood is drained out first - ie: kosher.

Anyone care to ignore this?:

"Moral principle, strictly carried out, becomes the only safeguard of the soul. If ever there was a time when the diet should be of the most simple kind, it is now.
Meat should not be placed before our children.

Its influence is to excite and strengthen the lower passions, and has a tendency to deaden the moral powers.
Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven.

The less feverish the diet, the more easily can the passions be controlled.

{now.......read this next line slowly... Ikan}

Gratification of taste should not be consulted irrespective of
1.physical,
2.intellectual, or
3.moral health." {CD 63.3}

As I read this last sentence, IF I do consult my taste for meat, "clean", kosher, whatever, and continue to eat it with the excuse that I see myself as physically healthy, smart and moral, than I have injured my status for translation. Yes or No?
(Translation, not anything but that event is mentioned....)

Yes.

Surely no one preparing for eternal life from the tree of life is going to relish eating dead animals here.

To actually show anyone from the Bible tho, where it is a sin to eat meat - i've never seen it except for meat as is usually served - with the blood cooked in it. That is definitely a sin.

I really think one reason/result for the saints going thru the time of trouble is to wean them from all the junk food they've filled their bodies with here (yes, i know we will be translated, but still). Only bread and water will be sure for us then. I like to think of that whenever i see the crows - even when they make everybody in the neighborhood hate them by making a mess by pecking holes in our garbage bags - haha.

Not just the blood but also eating the fat was forbidden.

Take those two things away from meat and you have taken away the flavor. Also there is uric acid which is all through the meat according to Mrs. White in CDF.

Nah, I'll pass on eating meat!!

Yo también.

One thing about meat is that by definition all meat contains substances that are poison to mammals. All mammals, humans included, due to cell respiration are constantly expelling waste products that are carried in the bloodstream and the lymphatic system, and end up being excreted as sweat, carbon dioxide, urine, and fecal matter. Some form of these wastes are always traveling to their ultimate destination, as long as the animal's alive. (That's why eating of blood is forbidden -- it's chock-full of poisons.)

When an animal is killed, that process stops...uh...dead. All the waste product that was headed for the sweat glands, bladder, colon, etc. stops in its tracks. Waste products that at the moment of death were still located in the muscles, stay in the muscles. So when we eat meat, i.e. animal muscle tissue, we're also eating the poisons contained in that muscle, that never had a chance to be expelled from the animal's body.

That's one reason human life spans dropped off so drastically after the Flood. (Compare Genesis chapter 5 with chapter 11.) Another reason is that the globe of water that encircled the earth (Gen. 1:7 - "the waters which were above the firmament") fell to earth during the Flood rains, and no longer would protect the earth from ultraviolet radiation; but the eating of meat that commenced after the Flood played a definite role.

Here's an interesting passage I just ran across, that gives some perspective:

"The question whether we shall eat butter, meat, or cheese, is not to be presented to anyone as a test, but we are to educate and to show the evils of the things that are objectionable. Those who gather up these things and drive them upon others, do not know what work they are doing. The Word of God has given tests to His people. The keeping of God's holy law, the Sabbath, is a test, a sign between God and His people throughout their generations forever. Forever this is the burden of the third angel's message -- the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
{2MR 107.1}

"Tea, coffee, tobacco, and alcohol we must present as sinful indulgences. We cannot place on the same ground, meat, eggs, butter, cheese and such articles placed upon the table. These are not to be borne in front, as the burden of our work. The former -- tea, coffee, tobacco, beer, wine, and all spirituous liquors -- are not to be taken moderately, but discarded. The poisonous narcotics are not to be treated in the same way as the subject of eggs, butter, and cheese. In the beginning animal food was not designed to be the diet of man. We have every evidence that the flesh of dead animals is dangerous because of disease that is fast becoming universal, because of the curse resting more heavily in consequence of the habits and crimes of man. We are to present the truth. We are to be guarded how to use reason and select those articles of food that will make the very best blood and keep the blood in an unfevered condition." -- MS 5, 1881.
{2MR 107.2}

So while the teaching of a vegetarian/vegan diet is important, there are things that are more important in the overall scheme of things.

Look again, friend John: the context is about pushing vegetarianism on the public on the same footing as our stand was with drugs and booze; in the church is another matter.

It cannot be a test of faith to join the church or salvation, but it is a sure sign of willingness to please God in all things by taking care of ourselves :

"Is it not time that all should aim to dispense with flesh foods?
How can those who are seeking to become pure, refined, and holy, that they may have the companionship of heavenly angels, continue to use as food anything that has so harmful an effect on soul and body?
How can they take the life of God's creatures that they may consume the flesh as a luxury?
Let them, rather, return to the wholesome and delicious food given to man in the beginning." {CG 383.1}

Hey...everyone do what they are convinced of; no one can force love or understanding.

It's gonna be mighty hard finding fried chicken and sardines in heaven or the New Earth. Might as well conquer the urges now. Or do we beleive He will take that away from us at on Resurrection Day????

Looks like we are saying the same thing, John: Eating dead animals is foolish and unwise, but one has a choice to be that way, in or out of a saving relationship with Christ.

It's like being married: a smoking husband is no reason for divorce, but that tolerance of that sick habit will not keep the wife from dodging an "ash-tray kiss" nor prevent him dying of cancer.

See what I mean?

Please the Lord: stop wrecking your health with roasted dead animals.

...or raw ones like on sushi