Balls of Fire, what, when, how?

Posted By: Rick H

Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 09/30/16 10:57 AM

I was at Wednesday night prayer meeting and afterwards they showed us a video from 3ABN on what has been finally realeased from the White Estate on the balls of fire that will hit the cities, in this case what Ellen White said about Nashville specifically. Take a look...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciIg9X_f7kA




Here is more on this....
"In our own time Ellen White was given a view of final, end-time events. Her most complete scenario is to be found in her book The Great Controversy, as we have noted in chapter 5.{GVEGW 124.3}

But not all the important events are therein described. Two of her most interesting and significant visions (in view of our present-day knowledge of nuclear physics) are to be found in other works.{GVEGW 124.4}

1. On Friday night, July 1, 1904, at Nashville, Tennessee, Ellen White was given a view of apocalyptic doom. The next morning, toward the close of a sermon in the chapel of the Southern Publishing Association, she made a brief, if oblique, reference to it: “Last night a scene was presented before me. I may never feel free to reveal all of it, but I will reveal a little.” 2{GVEGW 124.5}

Four months later, writing in the Review and Herald, she elaborated upon this “very impressive scene“:{GVEGW 124.6}

“I saw an immense ball of fire falling among some beautiful mansions, causing their instant destruction. I heard someone say, ‘We knew that the judgments of God were coming upon the earth, but we did not know that they would come so soon.’ Others said, ‘You knew? Why then did you not tell us? We did not know.’ On every side I heard such words spoken.” 3{GVEGW 124.7}

2. Two years later, at Sanitarium [St. Helena], California, in the early-morning hours of Friday, August 24, 1906, she had a similar dream. Again she characterized it as “a very impressive scene” of “a terrible conflagration.” 4 In her diary that morning she wrote:{GVEGW 124.8}

“In the night I was, I thought, in a room not in my own house. I was in a city, where I knew not, and I heard expression after expression. I rose up quickly in bed, and saw from my window large balls of fire. Jetting out were sparks, in the form of arrows, and buildings were being consumed, and in a very few minutes the entire block of buildings was falling and the screeching and mournful groans came distinctly to my ears. I cried out, in my raised position, to learn what was happening.... Then I awoke. But I could not tell{GVEGW 124.9}

where I was, for I was in another place than home. I said, O Lord, where am I and what shall I do? It was as a voice that spoke, ‘Be not afraid. Nothing shall harm you.’{GVEGW 125.1}

“I was instructed that destruction had gone forth upon cities. The word of the Lord will be fulfilled. Isaiah 29:19-24 was repeated. I dared not move, not knowing where I was. I cried unto the Lord, What does it mean? These representations of destruction were repeated. Where am I? [Said the Lord,] ‘In scenes I have represented that which will be; but warn My people to cease from putting their trust in men who are not obedient to My warnings and who despise My reproof, for the day of the Lord is right upon the world when evidence shall be made sure. Those who have followed the voices that would turn things upside down will themselves be turned where they cannot see, but will be as blind men.’{GVEGW 125.2}
Posted By: kland

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 09/30/16 05:29 PM

What is GVEGW? Why is this vision presumed to be targeted at Nashville? Why not St. Helena, California, or any other place she happens to have a vision? Are locations of having visions always relevant to context of visions?

I think not.
Posted By: dedication

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/01/16 06:24 AM

From what I can tell ---
GVEGW stands for "Great Visions of Ellen G. White" written by Roger Coon in 1992

You can see the book here
Posted By: Rick H

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/01/16 01:22 PM

Originally Posted By: kland
What is GVEGW? Why is this vision presumed to be targeted at Nashville? Why not St. Helena, California, or any other place she happens to have a vision? Are locations of having visions always relevant to context of visions?

I think not.


My sense is that Gods wrath will be poured out on the cities, that makes sense of why we would be warned to get out of the cities at the end. Does anyone have anything specifically on cities being hit by Sodom/Gomorrah like judgements....
Posted By: daylily

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/01/16 03:10 PM

In the newly released EGW material, she specifically says Nashville. That was replaced by ellipses in the previously published material,
Posted By: dedication

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/02/16 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Rick H


My sense is that Gods wrath will be poured out on the cities, that makes sense of why we would be warned to get out of the cities at the end. Does anyone have anything specifically on cities being hit by Sodom/Gomorrah like judgements....


There are many passages that support this warning!

Here's just a few:
Quote:
The time is near when the large cities will be visited by the judgments of God. In a little while, these cities will be terribly shaken. No matter how large or how strong their buildings, no matter how many safeguards against fire may have been provided, let God touch these buildings, and in a few minutes or a few hours they are in ruins. {CL 7.2}
The ungodly cities of our world are to be swept away by the besom of destruction. In the calamities that are now befalling immense buildings and large portions of cities, God is showing us what will come upon the whole earth.--Testimonies, vol. 7, pp. 82, 83. (1902) {CL 7.3}

There are reasons why we should not build in the cities. On these cities, God's judgments are soon to fall.--Letter 158, 1902. {CL 8.2}
The time is near when large cities will be swept away, and all should be warned of these coming judgments.--Evangelism, p. 29. (1910) {CL 8.3}
O that God's people had a sense of the impending destruction of thousands of cities, now almost given to idolatry.--Review and Herald, Sept. 10, 1903. {CL 8.4}


There is also the urgency to bring the gospel to these cities.

Quote:
The message that I am bidden to bear to our people at this time is, Work the cities without delay, for time is short. The Lord has kept this work before us for the last twenty years or more. A little has been done in a few places, but much more might be done.--Letter 168, 1909. {Ev 33.3}
I appeal to our brethren who have heard the message for many years. It is time to wake up the watchmen. I have expended my strength in giving the messages the Lord has given me. The burden of the needs of our cities has rested so heavily upon me that it has sometimes seemed that I should die. May the Lord give wisdom to our brethren, that they may know how
to carry forward the work in harmony with the will of the Lord.--Manuscript 13, 1910. {Ev 34.4}
The cities must be worked. The millions living in these congested centers are to hear the third angel's message. This work should have been developed rapidly during the past few years.--Review and Herald, July 5, 1906. {Ev 35.1}

Posted By: kland

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/03/16 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: daylily
In the newly released EGW material, she specifically says Nashville. That was replaced by ellipses in the previously published material,
Could you quote them? That is, is it different than she just having a vision at Nashville? Not at Nashville, but about Nashville?
Posted By: kland

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/03/16 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Rick H
My sense is that Gods wrath will be poured out on the cities, that makes sense of why we would be warned to get out of the cities at the end. Does anyone have anything specifically on cities being hit by Sodom/Gomorrah like judgements....
Yes, I'd agree with this. Though last quarterly seemed to disagree. It even appeared to encourage people to move to the cities. Today, if you don't live in a city, life is much better. Tomorrow, cities will be much worse.
Posted By: dedication

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/04/16 01:22 AM

Quote:
(New release): “When I was at Nashville, I had been speaking to the people, and in the night season, there was an immense ball of fire that came right from heaven and settled in Nashville. There were flames going out like arrows from that ball; houses were being consumed; houses were tottering and falling. Some of our people were standing there. ‘It is just as we expected,’ they said, ‘we expected this.’ Others were wringing their hands in agony and crying unto God for mercy. ‘You knew it,’ said they, ‘you knew that this was coming, and never said a word to warn us!’ They seemed as though they would almost tear them to pieces, to think they had never told them or given them any warning at all…A few nights ago I was awakened with this, ‘They know not the time of their visitation.’ Why don’t they know it? Because nobody is there to tell them” (Manuscript 188, 1905, emphasis added).


See Website containing many quotes on these "balls of fire"

Most of the references speak of "large cities" with no direct mention of a specific place.


Posted By: daylily

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/04/16 02:09 AM

Thank you dedication!
Posted By: kland

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/04/16 11:00 PM

Yes, thank you. There's "one" quote specific for Nashville. Kind of.

And we know fireballs will hit Nashville. Also, the whole earth. I think there were other places ( As the quote listed right below it in the link) where there is mention of something similar to:
Quote:
‘You knew it,’ said they, ‘you knew that this was coming, and never said a word to warn us!’ They seemed as though they would almost tear them to pieces, to think they had never told them or given them any warning at all…

Indicating the end of the world. So yes, when she was IN Nashville, she had a word FOR Nashville. Much like in other places she had a word for them when she was there. Unless someone can give a more concrete specific and not general end-of-the world scenario, I'm not convinced of anything she was indicating as being dramatic or magical targeting Nashville prior to the end of the world. Nashville will be in the same boat as other cities.

Unfortunately, there will be some fortune tellers looking for any thing to happen in Nashville and then saying, see Nostradamus told us so!
Posted By: dedication

Re: Balls of Fire, what, when, how? - 10/05/16 06:45 AM

Agree -- when she was in a place she applied a general understanding to that place.

When she was IN Nashville she had a word FOR Nashville.

We see the same idea when she was in Copenhagen in Europe.
As she looks down upon the city she talks of what will come to it in the future from the general understanding of what will happen to large cities filled with wickedness.

Quote:

While in Copenhagen we visited several beautiful parks, and one day ascended the "round tower," a very large and high tower connected with an old church. The ascent to this tower is not by stairs, but by an inclined plane, winding round and round, nine stories high. From this point a few stairs take us to the roof, which commands an extensive view of the city and the surrounding towns and islands.... As I looked down upon the great city, I could but think of the scenes that will be witnessed here when Christ shall come. This city is given up to pleasure and worldliness. Beer-drinking and card-playing, dancing and reveling, absorb the attention of the people. The multitudes will mock at the message of warning. Like the dwellers in Sodom, they will be awakened only when it is too late. RH, October 26, 1886
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