PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION

Posted By: APL

PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/17/14 01:10 AM

PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION by Dr. Jean Sheldon

1. The Bible is inspired by God who inspired the people who wrote it, not the words. The Bible was not dictated by God, but human writers wrote the thoughts given them by the Holy Spirit in their own words. Everything that is human is imperfect.

2. Since the language was not directed by God, it is important not to assume merely human meanings behind the words. Lexicons and dictionaries, helpful though they are, are not adequate to explain the meaning of words that involve God and His ways.

3. No one passage of Scripture contains the entire truth about God; the Bible must be read as a whole and passage compared with passage to find the truth. Key passages, that is, passages that help define or describe the meanings of words, enable the reader to unlock difficult portions of the Bible to harmonize them with the broad, principled statements the Bible makes about God.

4. Jesus is the fullest, most complete revelation of the Father’s character. Any interpretation of Scripture that contradicts this revelation is faulty.

5. It is Satan who has misrepresented God as arbitrary, unforgiving, vengeful, and severe. Any interpretation of a passage of Scripture that makes God appear as this way gives credence to Satan’s lies about Him.

6. All contexts—literary, social, relational—should be considered when interpreting a passage or a word in the Bible. These provide meaning that a simple, lexical approach does not.

7. When discussing divorce, Jesus pointed out that Moses allowed divorce because of the stiffness of people’s necks and their hardness of heart, but that in the beginning it was not so. The hermeneutic principle He uses here suggests that some portions of the Bible reflect God’s ideal, perfect will while others reflect His permissive will adapted to the will of the people. It is important, then, always to keep in mind which passage belongs to which "voice".
Posted By: James Peterson

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/17/14 02:57 PM

Originally Posted By: APL
PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION by Dr. Jean Sheldon

1. The Bible is inspired by God who inspired the people who wrote it, not the words. The Bible was not dictated by God, but human writers wrote the thoughts given them by the Holy Spirit in their own words. Everything that is human is imperfect.

You also must read the words of "doctors" critically. When a prophet says, "Thus saith The Lord ...." are we to assume that the subsequent words were merely reported speech? When God spoke from Mt. Sinai, were those words, quoted by Moses, imperfect?

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Posted By: APL

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/17/14 07:15 PM

What where were the words that God spoke at Sinai? Were they the ones in Exodus 20 or Deuteronomy 5? Which?
Posted By: James Peterson

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/18/14 02:44 AM

Originally Posted By: APL
What where were the words that God spoke at Sinai? Were they the ones in Exodus 20 or Deuteronomy 5? Which?

Exodus 20. But do you answer a question with another?

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Posted By: APL

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/18/14 04:59 AM

Not Deuteronomy - that is your opinion or do you have some fact to back it up?

"But do you answer a question with another?" Guilty as charged. Should I feel bad about that? I don't...
Posted By: James Peterson

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/18/14 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: APL
Not Deuteronomy - that is your opinion or do you have some fact to back it up? "But do you answer a question with another?" Guilty as charged. Should I feel bad about that? I don't...

Is it not written, you shall love your neighbour as yourself? If all we do is ask questions on top of questions, then love has left the construction site and the conversation grinds painfully to a halt and is left to decay and fall apart. No, but God does nothing in vain.

In Exodus 20, the words of God were being reported. In Deuteronomy 5, Moses was reviewing those words reflectively.

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Posted By: APL

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/18/14 08:42 PM

Deuteronomy 5:4-5 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire ... saying,

"You also must read the words of "doctors" critically." And not just the doctors!

As for quotes - do we have the original words? Or do we have the original thoughts?
Posted By: dedication

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/19/14 08:27 AM

In the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, God takes responsibility for what takes place.

When prophets prophesied of coming destruction, they would often say God was doing it.
God was taking responsibility.

And even though other nations were wielding the swords, it was still totally in God's hands as to whether He would allow it, or stop it.

When Israel sought the Lord in humble petition to beg for Him to save them. God sent a prophet or leader who led them on to victory.
When Israel was not seeking God, God with-drew protective banner) and allowed the enemy to have victories.

This is the more common procedure.

Yet, there are also the Bible stories where it is a direct command or action from the Lord. Where God steps in to save His people from their enemies.

Places where the Bible says:
Duet.5:15 And remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand
6:21 Then thou shalt say unto thy son, We were Pharaoh's bondmen in Egypt; and the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand:
7:8 the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

There are many more verses that emphasis that God delivered His people with a might hand.
Yet, the idea is presented that it wasn't God at all, but the mighty works of nature and the devil that caused God's people to be delivered from slavery???????????

That means God is not the deliverer.????
BUT, God IS the deliverer -- and He will deliver His people




Posted By: kland

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/19/14 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: APL
Not Deuteronomy - that is your opinion or do you have some fact to back it up? "But do you answer a question with another?" Guilty as charged. Should I feel bad about that? I don't...

Is it not written, you shall love your neighbour as yourself? If all we do is ask questions on top of questions, then love has left the construction site and the conversation grinds painfully to a halt and is left to decay and fall apart. No, but God does nothing in vain.

In Exodus 20, the words of God were being reported. In Deuteronomy 5, Moses was reviewing those words reflectively.

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So how do we know it's not a review of a thus saith the Lord?
Posted By: kland

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/19/14 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: dedication
This is the more common procedure.

Yet, there are also the Bible stories where it is a direct command or action from the Lord. Where God steps in to save His people from their enemies.
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That means God is not the deliverer.????
BUT, God IS the deliverer -- and He will deliver His people
A deliverer by force?

Yes there are places where the Bible directly says what God does:

1Ch 10:14 And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.

Can you get any more direct than that?

But who killed Saul? Who delivered the people?

How about "the more common procedure"? If with Saul, why not with Pharaoh?
Posted By: APL

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/19/14 05:27 PM

dedication - read again the following which fits the OT and shows how God is ultimately involved:

Satan works through the elements also to garner his harvest of unprepared souls. He has studied the secrets of the laboratories of nature, and he uses all his power to control the elements as far as God allows. When he was suffered to afflict Job, how quickly flocks and herds, servants, houses, children, were swept away, one trouble succeeding another as in a moment. It is God that shields His creatures and hedges them in from the power of the destroyer. But the Christian world have shown contempt for the law of Jehovah; and the Lord will do just what He has declared that He would--He will withdraw His blessings from the earth and remove His protecting care from those who are rebelling against His law and teaching and forcing others to do the same. Satan has control of all whom God does not especially guard. He will favor and prosper some in order to further his own designs, and he will bring trouble upon others and lead men to believe that it is God who is afflicting them. {GC 589.2}
Posted By: APL

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/19/14 10:58 PM

From a posting on FB:

“God will use His enemies as instruments to punish those who have followed their own pernicious ways whereby the truth of God has been misrepresented, misjudged, and dishonored.--{PC 136 (1894)}.

Again, this is Biblical language, the "language of wrath," as a generic term, which is a description of the concept wherein God is represented as doing that which He allows. The reason for this is because God, being sovereign, takes responsibility for all that happens. Not culpability, mind you, but responsibility. Further, God allows all things because His government is based upon freedom of choice. Along with that freedom comes the justice, wherein God must stand aside and let the consequences play out, even unto death, if repentance does not come. And here is where the "hardening" comes in. God destroys by trying to save. It is like this: God comes to the patient with a terminal illness, with the remedy. When the patient refuses the remedy, God destroys Him by not forcing Him to take the remedy. It is not our way of thinking, but it is what it is.

Divine wrath is represented as God "hiding His face," "giving over," "giving up," "sparing not," etc. He ever attempts to remain in the picture, in His role as Sustainer and Protector, but will not cross the line into interfering with the will of the free moral agent. Ponder this statement: "Let ministers and people remember that GOSPEL TRUTH RUINS IF IT DOES NOT SAVE. The soul that refuses to listen to the invitations of mercy from day to day can soon listen to the most urgent appeals without an emotion stirring his soul" {5T 134.1}. Question: does the gospel truth actually ruin, or is this a manner of speaking? The fact is, the REFUSAL of gospel truth ruins and the guilt of choosing to reject it falls upon the head of the one who refuses, while the responsibility for advancing with the light of gospel truth rests with God.

That God "uses His enemies as instruments to punish" is hard-core Biblical language! We cannot take this as literal language in the Greek way of thinking. If we were to do so, we end up with a God whose government is like men's ways, based upon rewards and punishments. Also, we have a God who overrides the will of His enemies to make them do His dirty work. A "user" God. We know that none of this is like God, so we must be looking for Bible keys to interpret this sort of language. Also, there is a whole world of context which has huge significance, as we would look into man's view of deity in the ancient cultures of Bible times. Dr. Jean Sheldon at PUC addresses this in a recent lecture series on the wrath of God, well worth taking in. This subject is coming front and center at this time, as it must. It is about time that we get this all sorted out.
Posted By: dedication

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/21/14 09:43 AM

Will the redeemed sing only the song of the Lamb?
Or will they also sing the song of Moses?

Quote:
Rev. 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest
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There are at least two songs that Moses wrote. One was sung after the crossing of the Red Sea (Exodus 15), and the other was written in the last days of Moses’ life, in Deuteronomy 32.

Since Revelation 15 is in the setting of the plagues when God moves to deliver His people, and Exodus 15 is Israel's praise of God's Mighty deliverance from the Egyptians, it seems the two match as "the song of Moses and the Lamb".

Now I wonder when the saints sing this song, if you would say, "no, no, we have to change the words".


Exodus 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.
15:4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
15:5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.
15:6 Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.
15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee:





By the quote from GC 589 which you shared in answer to my previous post, would we have to change the words to: --

Satan works through the elements as the man of war,
It was not the Lord that cast Pharaoh's chariots into the sea,
It was not the Lord that delivered us,
It was satan's power that killed the Egyptians.
The Lord withdrew and satan destroyed our enemies and overthrew those who rose up against us.


That's blasphemy isn't it?
Satan IS NOT Israel's deliverer.
Satan was working WITH Pharaoh against Israel, not the other way around.
If he had his way Israel would have perished, and Egypt would have triumphed.

The quote you used is talking about satan's malice, it is not talking about the mighty acts of God's deliverance.

It was God WHO delivered Israel with a mighty hand from the power of the Egyptians.
God saved His people from their enemies.


15:9 The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.
15:10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
15:11 Who [is] like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who [is] like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful [in] praises, doing wonders?
15:12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.
15:13 Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people [which] thou hast redeemed:

Posted By: His child

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/21/14 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: APL


Though these rules seem well thought out and appropriate, it all boils down to the will of man:

Jesus asked "How readest thou?"

If an individual rightly divides the word of truth -- more truth will come.

If an individual is looking to put a spin on Scripture that is not sustained by Scripture, they will see it as they want to see it. And no amount of persuasion will change their mind as the proverb says, "Though compelled to change against his will, man is of the same opinion still."

And if an individual has settled a question to their satisfaction (even if they did not have all the facts) the matter is settled. Very few will reopen the issue. Their position is staked out and "they would rather fight than switch."

So goes the pitfalls of biblical interpretation.

The human factor is the determining principle in all interpretation of Scripture. And Satan is ever present to cast his shadow between light and the individual. Thus the devil puts his own spin on Bible study, suggests deviated meanings to the Scriptures, and excites doubt and disbelief.
Posted By: Mountain Man

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 06/21/14 06:46 PM

Jesus spent less time predicting the future than He did teaching people how to live in harmony with the will of God. The focus of the Bible is "righteousness and true holiness". Our prophetic persuasions must highlight the cross of Christ and His effect of human hearts. Most prophetic studies sideline salvation. Dates and times, popes and political powers take precedence. The details are important; otherwise, Jesus would not have mentioned them. However, let us not lose sight of the purpose of prophecy - "Christ in you, the hope of glory".
Posted By: His child

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 07/22/14 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Jesus spent less time predicting the future than He did teaching people how to live in harmony with the will of God. The focus of the Bible is "righteousness and true holiness". Our prophetic persuasions must highlight the cross of Christ and His effect of human hearts. Most prophetic studies sideline salvation. Dates and times, popes and political powers take precedence. The details are important; otherwise, Jesus would not have mentioned them. However, let us not lose sight of the purpose of prophecy - "Christ in you, the hope of glory".


Should one be done and the other undone?

If Jesus is unknown to the Bible prophecy student, why bother to study the Bible? And if Jesus is revealed in Scripture, why not teach Present Truth: it will reveal Jesus. Amen
Posted By: APL

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 07/22/14 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: dedication
By the quote from GC 589 which you shared in answer to my previous post, would we have to change the words to: --

Satan works through the elements as the man of war,
It was not the Lord that cast Pharaoh's chariots into the sea,
It was not the Lord that delivered us,
It was satan's power that killed the Egyptians.
The Lord withdrew and satan destroyed our enemies and overthrew those who rose up against us.


That's blasphemy isn't it?
Are you saying the GC589 is blasphemy? Or is it really revelatory? How is God's power at work? Does the story of Job hold no reverlation?

In the book of Revelation, is it God that causes the 7 last plagues? It is divine power or demonic power at work? It is demonic.
Posted By: His child

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/18/14 10:19 AM

Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Jesus spent less time predicting the future than He did teaching people how to live in harmony with the will of God. The focus of the Bible is "righteousness and true holiness". Our prophetic persuasions must highlight the cross of Christ and His effect of human hearts. Most prophetic studies sideline salvation. Dates and times, popes and political powers take precedence. The details are important; otherwise, Jesus would not have mentioned them. However, let us not lose sight of the purpose of prophecy - "Christ in you, the hope of glory".


Should one be done and the other undone?

If Jesus is unknown to the Bible prophecy student, why bother to study the Bible? And if Jesus is revealed in Scripture, why not teach Present Truth: it will reveal Jesus. Amen


So do SDA's study the Bible anymore?

Or do they just study "official" Bible studies that have been prepared by those who are employed by the denomination to explain the Bible to everybody else?
Posted By: dedication

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/19/14 07:40 PM

Bible Study is essential in discerning truth from error.
I don't think anyone here just takes someone else's word but compares it to their reading of scripture.

Mountain Man does have a valid point.
When the study of prophecy turns into repeated attempts to try and fit it all into current events it's just not "present truth" as it will probably all have to be changed again in a year or so.
It's just a hit and miss process with the hopes that one of these times it will be right.

Nor is it correct to say people who don't buy those interpretations do not study the Bible.
What I see as "present truth" and new light is an increased understanding of Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary, an increased understanding of salvation and righteousness by faith.

"When the books of Daniel and Revelation are better understood, believers will have an entirely different religious experience. They will be given such glimpses of the open gates of heaven that heart and mind will be impressed with the character that all must develop in order to realize the blessedness which is to be the reward of the pure in heart."

When I find those glimpses into the open gates of heaven, then I know there is "new light".

New light brings into focus the elements of salvation by faith
IN CHRIST. The details of the war on earth waged by beasts and the dragon need to be understood in their role against salvation by faith and worship of Our Creator God. But people will always try to use them to outline times and linking them to specific people as if that is what its all about. No -- Scripture tells us to watch and pray for you know NOT the hour--

The third angel is the last message according to the book of Revelation. Ellen White affirmed the message of justification by faith is the third angel's message in verity (See Ev. 190)



Quote:
The Lord wants all to understand His providential dealings now, just now, in the time in which we live. There must be no long discussions, presenting new theories in regard to the prophecies which God has already made plain. Now the great work from which the mind should not be diverted is the consideration of our personal safety in the sight of God. Are our feet on the rock of ages? Are we hiding ourselves in our only refuge? The storm is coming, relentless in its fury. Are we prepared to meet it? Are we one with Christ as He is one with the Father? Are we heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ? Are we working in copartnership with Christ?--Manuscript 32a, 1896. {Ev 199
Posted By: Daryl

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/26/14 07:06 PM

I hope SDAs still study the Bible on their own, however, I fear that only a few do it that way.

Are SDAs still a people of the Book?
Posted By: dedication

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/27/14 02:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Daryl
I hope SDAs still study the Bible on their own, however, I fear that only a few do it that way.

Are SDAs still a people of the Book?


We can't generalize -- there are definitely Adventists who are still a people of the Bible.



But sadly there are also many Adventists who really are not anchored in scripture.
The prominent ecumenical idea that doctrines don't really matter is doing its work even in Adventist churches. Also the many and varied "long discussions presenting new theories in regard to the prophecies which God has already made plain" have also had a very negative effect.

A lot of people just say "what difference does it make", nobody agrees on what the Bible says anyway, so who am I to figure it out, just believe Christ died to save us, live a decent life and that's all that matters.

Spoon feeding is very readily available and some would rather be fed their spiritual food rather then to dig for themselves.

Then there are others who a merely cultural Adventists -- they are comfortable in an Adventist life style, but it's more like a club than a commitment to any doctrines concerning salvation.

So, yes, there is no generalized statement that fits all members of the Adventist Church.
Hopefully each of us are part of the group that wants to be firmly anchored in God's Word. The deceptions will be many and strongly convincing and only a "thus saith the Lord" will help us discern them.
Posted By: Wendell Slattery

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/27/14 03:57 PM

Daryl,

We should be, but fewer Adventists are people of the Book anymore. I recall hearing that, based on surveys, something like 15-20 % of Adventists bother to open their Bibles daily or weekly. The rest of the other 80-85% apparently bother very little to do that or not at all. This does not bode well for the future of the church or those who are not studying. The shaking is just before us and many of those not studying will be shaken out then.
Posted By: kland

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/27/14 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: dedication
By the quote from GC 589 which you shared in answer to my previous post, would we have to change the words to: --

Satan works through the elements as the man of war,
It was not the Lord that cast Pharaoh's chariots into the sea,
It was not the Lord that delivered us,
It was satan's power that killed the Egyptians.
The Lord withdrew and satan destroyed our enemies and overthrew those who rose up against us.


That's blasphemy isn't it?
Satan IS NOT Israel's deliverer.
Satan was working WITH Pharaoh against Israel, not the other way around.
If he had his way Israel would have perished, and Egypt would have triumphed.

The quote you used is talking about satan's malice, it is not talking about the mighty acts of God's deliverance.

It was God WHO delivered Israel with a mighty hand from the power of the Egyptians.
God saved His people from their enemies.
That's one way of interpreting it. Could you see a different way? God IS Israel's deliverer. From satan. And from all those satan inspired of which who were not delivered nor protected from the Lord. Satan couldn't destroy Israel, but he did destroy the Egyptians.

So yes:
Satan works through the elements as the man of war,
It was not the Lord that cast Pharaoh's chariots into the sea,
It was not the Lord that delivered us, It WAS the lord that delivered us from satan's power!
It was satan's power that killed the Egyptians.
The Lord withdrew and satan destroyed our enemies and overthrew those who rose up against us.
Posted By: APL

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/27/14 09:35 PM

Yes! We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy. It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/28/14 11:41 AM

Originally Posted By: dedication
We can't generalize -- there are definitely Adventists who are still a people of the Bible.

If one cannot generalize, then Adventists were never a 'people of the Book.'
Wendell's found stats seem optimistic, and there's a wee
difference between daily Bible study and reading the quarterly on Sabbath morning.
Nor does reading EGW equate to Bible study.
Terms are ill-defined these days.

William Miller was a Bible student.
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Posted By: gordonb1

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 08/28/14 11:43 AM

Originally Posted By: APL
Yes! We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy. It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan.

A good reminder.
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Posted By: His child

Re: PRINCIPLES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION - 09/05/14 01:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Daryl
I hope SDAs still study the Bible on their own, however, I fear that only a few do it that way.

Are SDAs still a people of the Book?


Sadly, SDA's are people of the book, but probbly not the Bible. Harry Potter has some of their attention and the TV guide or its counterpart have the attention of too many.

But the Bible? probably not too much???
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