Nissan 10 - The Latter Rain?

On Karen's thread on the Trumpets of Revelation 8 to 11 I've shared some thoughts about their immanent fulfillment - possibly this fall. Friends, bear with me while I suggest we could expect to see dramatic changes in the course of human history even sooner than this fall. In Karen's trumpet thread I pointed out that this year, a biblical Sabbatical, is the first time in over 2000 years that a Sabbatical will synchronize with a blood moon tetrad that falls on the biblical feasts, so it's something we want to watch. I suggested it could, (not must, but could,) portend the fulfillment of the fall Feast of Trumpets. But in the last couple days I came across more material that I want to share here. Let me run by you all one more thought.

In my personal studies I reviewed Ezekiel's temple vision recently (Eze 40-48) and it struck me that this vision shows the glory of God returning to the temple on the 10th day of the first month, Nissan, which is in late March to early April on our calendar. This is the same day that the Passover lamb was set aside and was also the last day of grace, according to Christ and Ellen White, for the Holy City because on this day Jerusalem, through its leaders, rejected Christ as it's King.
So both the departure and return of the glory of God to the temple are linked to the 10th of Nissan. This is also confirmed by the prophecy of Joel that the latter rain will be given in the first month.
In Ezekiel's temple vision, the return of the glory of God to the temple represents the filling of the church by the Holy Spirit; it represents the latter rain. So God's next major intervention, His manifestation of the sovereign Presence among His people, may be closer than we think. This year Nissan 10 begins the evening of March 29. The Sabbatical year begins ten days earlier on Nissan 1. That's 60 days away. This is not to say it will happen this spring but that it could. The Orthodox Jews may be closer to the truth than we think in sending a child to the door of the home at Passover to welcome Elijah.

This year may be special because this year the Passover will witness a blood moon. Just as the blood of the Passover lamb was placed on the doors of the believing Jews, slaves in Egypt, in Revelation 12 we have a woman, Christ's church, clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet. That moon is the full moon, dipped in blood, but shining in full strength as it does on the Passover.

But the thought that the latter rain may be that close - - to me that's potentially the best possible news. If this is true then like Daniel we need to be praying that the Lord will fulfill His word to revive us and cloth us with the Son and breath into our dead bodies the breath of His Spirit. According to the SOP, revival will come to us only in answer to earnest prayer.

I'm reposting Kland's post on Karen's trumpet thread here:

Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
For centuries devout Jews have sent a family member to the door of the home on Passover to welcome Elijah. When he doesn't appear they say "maybe next year". All Jonathan Cahn is saying is "maybe this fall", not for Elijah, but for the next big move of God which is the trumpets that announce that "the hour of His judgment is come" - referring of course to the Day of Atonement ten days later.

I'd go along with that, maybe things will start this year, but if not, maybe next year.

Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
Friends, bear with me while I suggest we could expect to see dramatic changes in the course of human history even sooner than this fall. I pointed out above that this year, a biblical Sabbatical, is the first time in over 2000 years to synchronize with a blood moon tetrad that falls on the biblical feasts, so it's something we want to watch.

But it doesn't. That's what I've been trying to say, and I thought you agreed at your previous posts. There is no "blood" moon. There is a dim or dark moon. The same color or lack of color as occurs in other arbitrary numbers of sequences other than "four". It doesn't "coincide" except only partially in some places. And "tetrad" seems to be an arbitrary thing. For instance, if it's 4 eclipses in a row, consider 2018/2019.
http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/list.html
But someone decided that there should be 6 months between them.

Quote by Mark Shipowick:
This year, Passover will witness a blood moon.

No, not really. I understand Jerusalem won't even see the eclipse. Eastern US will only see a partial eclipse for a very short time.
http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/charleston-wv
In fact, April 4 is called a "partial lunar eclipse" and not "total".
http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/list.html

Quote by Mark Shipowick:
But the thought that the latter rain may be that close - - to me that's potentially the best possible news.

That could very well be true. But nothing to do with eclipses, an arbitrary number of eclipses, nor an arbitrary number of eclipses falling on certain days on certain parts of the world, of which Jerusalem, Africa, Europe... is not included.

And I'm reposting my reply to Kland here so that we don't take over Karen's thread with this topic.

Kland, according to the US Naval Observatory, (the leading authority on astronomy besides NASA in North America) the April 4, 2015 lunar eclipse is total: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/eclipse/L2015Apr04.pdf. It will be seen as total in Hawaii, Alaska, New Zealand, eastern Russia, parts of Asia and Australia and as a partial eclipse across North America and much of Asia.

I learned just now from the same site that a total solar eclipse will occur March 20, 2015, about sixty days from now. Here's a map of it's coverage: http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/eclipse/0112015/. The evening of March 20 is Nissan 1, the start of the Sabbatical year. It would be interesting to know how often a total solar eclipse occurs at the eve of a Sabbatical year with a tetrad falling on the feasts. This eclipse will be visible as a partial eclipse across most of North Africa, Europe, the Middle East and Northern Asia.

I also learned that another partial solar eclipse will occur on the eve of the Feast of Trumpets, September 13, 2015. http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/eclipse/0322015/. This one is visible in the southern part of Africa and the southern Indian Ocean.

Regarding your comment Kland that the lunar eclipse this March isn't visible from Jerusalem, since the day of grace for Jerusalem ended in 31 AD on Nissan 10 (see my first post on this thread above), the signs in the heavens aren't restricted to the modern Jews or a physical location. The signs are for the scattered people of God around the globe. The dark day and the falling of the stars in 1833 were not limited to the Middle East right? As far as I know, neither one was witnessed in that part of the world.

I'm not sure myself something will happen this spring or fall, but the Lord will make it clearer I believe as the time approaches if He is about to do something major. I feel an obligation to share the evidence. If the evidence is sound, then perk up your ears. If not, ignore it. Christ's advice was to watch and that involves candid evaluation of the evidence. You be the judge.

In other threads on the forum I've suggested that the judgment of the living is revealed in Revelation, especially Revelation 4 and 5. This is typified by the Day of Atonement but notice that in Ezekiel's temple which typifies the Spirit-filled/end-time church, the atonement is made in the spring, not on the tenth day but on the first and seventh days of the first month. Ezekiel 45:18-20. The difference between the two atonements is that the one in Ezekiel's vision, the spring atonement, is of the living.

Intuitively it makes sense that atonement for the living occurs first and that the return of the Spirit follows a few days later on the 10th of Nissan.

As I pondered this (and I'm still pondering it) I looked at October 22, 1844, the beginning of the IJ of the dead. To the world nothing appears to have happened. Will it be the same when the IJ of the living begins – no outward signs? How will we know if something really does happen in heaven – if there is a transition to the living? So in Revelation 4-6, what are the signs there that might be witnessed and understood here on earth?

I've copied the text and highlight parts that might be audible to those who are watching unto prayer as Christ advised us to do:

Some of the other signs that we might watch for between now and March 29 according to Christ's Olivet discourse and Rev. 8:5 include wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes and pestilences.

There's only certain times an eclipse can occur. An eclipse of the sun can only occur when the moon is between the earth and the sun. This happens 12-13 times a year. That would be a random probability of 1 out of 12 rather than 1 out of 365. And as far as occurring with a tetrad, the probability increases since a moon tetrad implies an alignment, so the probability of a solar eclipse happening the same time is even higher. It was explained that any time there is one moon eclipse, the probability of additional ones happening the same year are much higher.


Ok, so which parts of the world are important? You said not a total but a "partial eclipse across North America and much of Asia". I guess I'm asking what makes where it's seen important.
What if there were four solar eclipses over Antarctica? Would that mean anything?

And the coming solar eclipse appears to be only over a small portion of the world and that only a partial eclipse. The animation showed the total portion of the eclipse seemed to be tracking mostly over the ocean avoiding land.

Other years there are total eclipses somewhere over varying parts and degrees. And why four moon eclipses? Does four mean something more than three, two, or one? This is what I'm asking. Why is this an important occurrence rather than many other occurrences of things?

Personally I would see what's happening with the pope, the protestants, the president, the world as a stronger harbinger of crisis to come rather than cyclic orbitations of what's been happening over and over for eons.

You said something about Jewish observance of the new moon two days after the new moon being Scriptural. How so?

This is not really important and probably we have a year off in our timetable. To compare and in case we do have the same one... Isn't 1986 the beginning of the 120th Jubilee cycle since Adam? If so these would be the Sabbitical years: 1993(1st), 2000(2nd), 2007(3rd), 2014(4th), 2021(5th), 2028(6th), 2035(7th).

What would this mean?

In reality we can not actually date Adam accurately, so anything calculated "from Adam" is only supposition at best.

The Jews claim that the jubilee cycle is lost - no one knows when it occurs today. That statement by Sister White is interesting. It implies that the saints will be delivered by the voice of God on the Day of Atonement because in the type, the Jubilee was announced by a trumpet just after the Atonement was completed.

The main topic though that I'm putting out for comment and discussion is the idea that the glory of God returns to His people on Nissan 10 according to the prophecies. See my first post for more. What do you think? Is this a type of the latter rain?

I disagree for the Lord gave us the geneology beginning with Adam's creation :

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: Gen 5:3

Records are very clear until Abraham. Then there are a few difficulties that needs to be resolve by Biblical cross referencing.

Sorry I haven't read Karen's trumpet discussion and other discussion of this subject.

Beside Ez 45:18-20 do you have other Biblical text that point to a Nisan 10 and the latter rain? If you have it written somewhere or posted, could you point it to me.

What's interesting is from reading Stephen Jones who has been used by the Lord the past 35 years in the ministry and hears His voice....was reveal that there was a switch in the Calendar year. Here is what he explains :

"last Summer I began to receive revelation that the calendar was going to change from October to April. This was based on Exodus 12:2, when God changed the calendar in the time of Moses. I did not know what this meant until a few months later, when I learned that it had to do with a change in the Prophetic Year. No longer was the Prophetic Year to go from the 8th day of Tabernacles of one year to the 8th day of Tabernacles the next year. It was instead to start at Passover and go to the next year’s Passover.

So right now, in January, we are in the middle of the transition, because the previous Prophetic Year has already ended, but the new Prophetic Year will start in April."

He's speaking of prophetic years calendar change, but it is also a calendar change. I'll try to explain from what I came to understand by which could not be what Stephen means as he didn't expound further than what I quoted above.

rosh hashanah (1st day of the 7th month) is known for the Jews as being the day of creation and they also consider it as a beginning(head) of the year. rosh hashanah literally means "head of the year".

There's two beginning of the year: rosh hashanah and Nisan 1st. Like in a day it is mark by a sunset and a sunrise. In the creation day pattern the night was created first after the day. We recogn a day starting from sunset, as the Jews seem to recogn the Year at rosh hashanah, yet there's also Nisan that is said to be the first month. rosh hashanah is the time that the daylight are equal but starts to shorten, whereas Nisan 1st the daylight increases.

Anyway, I myself was given that understanding(of two year beginning) with a study at another SDA forum months before reading Stephen Jones revelation. So it appears that the Lord changed the "beginning of year" for man at Moses time, and now we have come into history where time is changing back to where it was. Not that anything will change from day to day in the earth & moon cycle, but the change is in the Spiritual realm. What exactly? I don't know all that it means but one thing is in terms of time when He communicates to His people(those that can hear) thru signs to show us what He's doing before it happens.

I don't know if this spring will be the time He will institute a new feast like it appears to be in Ez 45. If so, a major event will precede it and the latter rain might just be it.

The first time the calendar was changed, it was a major change in history for the progress of the kingdom when the Israelites left Egypt. So this change marks another big time of change in history. I do know we have crossed a major stage of kingdom growth this last fall, and this spring feast will be kinda the official recognition of it. But this is something totally different then the latter rain.

I find it very interesting that you had these revelation. I do believe you are on a good tract. Maybe the difficulty you will encounter is understanding what it all means. I'm not saying I do understand much, but I do keep track of what the Lord reveal to the body of believers with the current events.

I do think this is the year the Holy Spirit will be poured at some point; however I was not reveal this personally and often things take longer than what we hope. I've learned that the Lord's is not in a hurry; however I believe all things are fulfill at the appointed time set before creation. So like all things, the Lord will reveal the timing of the latter rain to His body concretely with signs and revelations before it happened. And when it will happened we will know then that it happened and we will be glad for it.

I'm glad that works for you. I'll not frighten you with the facts.

Do frighten me with facts.

I haven't heard of Stephen Jones before. He's not the only one anticipating change this spring but until recently more of the focus in the Evangelical community and by myself has been on the fall of 2015. I still think the seven trumpets of Revelation may sound this fall (see Karen's thread, "The Seven Trumpets Reconsidered") but in looking at Ezekiel's temple just recently, chapter 43, the first part where the glory of God returns, it dawned on me that this is significant. The return of His presence is to this temple, not to the Mosaic structure.

I'm saying something similar to Stephen Jones apparently - that there is a change from the Mosaic calendar to Ezekiel's calendar, from the Mosaic temple to Ezekiel's temple. The change in calendars and temples is greater than just the Day of Atonement. In Ezekiel's temple the prophetic year starts in the spring with the Atonement week. In Ezekiel's temple there is no Feast of Weeks, no Trumpets, no Fall Day of Atonement and the final day of Tabernacles is not included. The reason for these changes appears to be that these feasts have been fulfilled (except that parts which haven't been fully completed such as the Fall Day of Atonement still have a future application) by the time Ezekiel's temple and its calendar goes into effect.

But I'm curious what are you referring to here. Can you tell me more?

This change is monumental in the same sense that the tearing of the veil at the death of Christ signaled a paradigm shift from the Old Covenant to the New. The essence of the change from Old to New was the change in 1) the priesthood from the Levitical to the Melchisedec and 2) from the dispensation of prophets to the dispensation of the Holy Spirit. When the next change occurs the change is from early rain to latter rain at the "hour of His judgment" - a paradigm, dispensational shift.

In the same way that a change in priesthood at the death of our Lord was soon followed by the gifts of the Spirit, so in Ezekiel's temple, the spring atonement, judgment and cleansing of the entire temple (in the Mosaic, only certian articles and apartments were cleansed but in Ezekiel's the entire structure including the inner court is cleansed), is followed a few days later by the return of the Presence to His people.

Sorry for the lenghty post.


Did you mean fall 2014? Or you mean prediction of the coming fall 2015? Can you give me a brief summary.

It is good that you consider listening to other Christian community’s revelation. I've noticed you have mention Jonathan Cahn in your post in this discussion by which I have listened to his harbinger revelation concerning 911. I think the Lord did give him an important revelation that believers should listen to.


I have not been much into studying Revelation these past years as I wanted to have a firmer grip in understanding the laws in the Pentateuch as I believe this is the foundation of the Plan of salvation laid in TYPES and Shadows. So I cannot comment on the Trumpets in Revelation besides knowing that the trumpets were sounded at every first day of the months starting at Nisan to the 7th month of the Fall feasts. So “at the sound of the last(7th) trump”(1Co 15:52) Paul is referring to the last trumpet of the 7th month of the fall feast. So I would expect to see the events associated with the feasts trumpet in Revelation. The Feast basically shows a progression of spiritual growth for an individual and corporate body.

I'll get back to you regarding Ez 43 as I need some time to study Ez 40-48 and reflect on it as a whole instead of bit and pieces from the pass. But to comment on what you said above highlighted, I don't know what you exactly mean with "temple". I believe that since the fulfillment of Pentecost after Jesus death, the temple is our body where all the Types and Shadows of the sacrifices and rituals laws fulfillment now happens. Temple in terms of both personally(1Cor 3:16) and/or corporatly(Eph 2:19-22; 1Pet 2:5). So if that is what you meant above, I agree that's what the meaning of the fulfillment in Ezekiel temple.

The Lord’s presence (=His glory and where is His glory abide is where His name is) did depart from the temple in Shiloh (1Sm 4:21,22) because of Priesthood corruption. Then it went to Jerusalem. The Lord’s presence-glory-name departed from Jerusalem for the same reason as for Shiloh(Jer 7:14). Ezekiel did see the glory-presence of the Lord leave the Most Holy Place(Ez 10:18) and then move outside the city to the top of Mount of Olives (Ez 11:22,23). And so it remained there until Jesus returned to heaven from the top of Mount of Olives(Acts 1:12). Then the glory return 10 days later to the 120 disciples in the upper room on the day of Pentecost and was manifested in form of tongue of fire that rested on their FOREHEAD. His name(where glory is) was then written on our forehead(Rev 22:4). So now we became the temple of His glory. That’s the last place His glory was manifested -- not in a temple made of wood and stones, but in the temple made of living stones (1Pet 2:5). I believe it will NEVER return to a temple made of wood and stones again as it never return back to Shiloh or in Jerusalem’s temple. So Ezekiel's prophecies has to be read with this in mind that whatever is said is done in the Temple, in means in our body temple.

However, at Pentecost they(corporate temple) only receive an “earnest”(a pledge, a downpayment) of the Spirit(2Cor 1:22, 5:5; Ep 1:13,14) rather than the fullness --- in goal to prepare them(us) to receive the fullness(Ep 3:19) that is yet to come through the next great feast fulfillment: feast of Tabernacles.

So we presently live in a kingdom of imperfection (Pentecost is represented by 2 loaves of leavened WHEAT and we currently live in the Pentecost AGE) where the Priesthood is still with leavened who lacks the fullness. It takes the fullness to bring the Kingdom into perfection. That’s why up to now in time, we(Pentecost Church after Jesus’ death) have failed equally to the Israelites(Passover Church before Jesus) to bring the Kingdom of God (establish His laws and His government) on earth.

So that’s what I see from studying Ezekiel 44, 45 that the uncorrupt Priesthood (who are to receive the fullness first, have access to the garment of linen), will intercede and minister to the people in the Most Holy Place; whereas the still corrupt Levites will not, but will help the Priest in their function to minister to the people.



Yes I agree. I don’t know what you mean with point “2)” but overaIl I agree with your point. In Ezekiel 40-48, the Priests, Levites, Prince (after some reflection these does not represent the priesthood but the heads of tribes or nations), and the People are all present in this new age in time. What I understand from this is when the Overcomers will receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit, it will mark this “NEW AGE” and a huge “monumental change”(as you say) and transition of time will take place expodentially much greater than the Pentecost with its “earnest deposit”. I believe it can be call the Tabernacle AGE where the Priesthood will be totally uncorrupted and will succeed to bring the kingdom of God on earth where the Passover & Pentecost Church has failed. When the kingdom, starting from a stone and grows into “a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” (Dn 2:35; Rev 5:10; 20:6); I believe there will be no more any unbelievers on earth. Everyone will have entered the outer court and be part of the temple; however they will need to go through the 3 feasts spiritual growth journey until they too receive the fullness. This is the TYPE I see in the law.



I agree with you above. My interpretation would differ. One thing I would like to emphasize is this cleansing is a revelation of what is to come. I don’t believe it is going to happen in one day, or one week or one year or even 10 years, but maybe in 1000 years during the millenium. Then my hunch, it is specifically the cleansing of the people present in the outer compartment. I don’t believe it will include the cleansing of the people that are sleeping and didn’t take part of the 1st resurrection. From what I get from other scriptures, their cleansing will take part after the millennium. I need to study more about the dimensions and layout of Ezekiel temple. From what I recall is different having 2 instead of 3 compartments. But these compartments represents the corporate body of believers. The inner court only the priest could enter where they are physically closer to the Lord. While the levites and the people are in the outer compartment(the court). These compartments are their level of faith. Hmmmm…. That’s interesting. I’ll have to come back to this as this could be there are only two feasts as you say. In the Mosaic temple design the outer court was for the people(=Passover level of faith), the Holy place for the Levites(=Pentecost), and the Most Holy Place for the Priest(=Tabernacle). For sure there’s something there for us to understand in terms of change. In terms of cleansing that takes place, it is not the cleansing of a physical temple, but the people that form the real temple where the Lord dwells.

Concerning the later rain of Joel 2, I don’t think it is the same as the Tabernacle fulfillment where the Elects(the Barley crop which is the first ripe crop of the season) will be filled with the Holy Spirit. I think the latter rain of Joel 2 happens BEFORE and will be beneficial to ALL the harvests(Barley, Wheat, and Grape) and allow them to grow some more, but the Barley becomes ripe first and is harvested at some point later after the latter rain. I don’t understand this fully either and I have much more studying and pondering on this matter still.


Yes I agree …. well it appears to be so.


Just because these feast are not mentioned in Ez 45 (are the feast mentioned elsewhere in 40-48 besides here?) does not necessarily mean they are fulfilled and excluded. What I have learn at places in the laws, that these exclusion are meant for us to focus on the information provided that is pertinent to the statement. Notice that the details of both 7 days feasts of Passover and Tabernacle is mentioned. My impression, that this is the information to take note of and figure out what these 7 days represents and applied in this time or event.

With my understanding of the feasts and rituals and specifically the 2nd work of Christ that is the main focus of the atonement (2nd dove & the 2nd goat = to remove sin from the temple, BECAUSE the 1st dove & 1st goat only cover the sin): Pentecost is the most important feast because it symbolizes the 2nd work of Christ (the removing of Sin = SANCTIFICATION PROCESS) that prepares us to receives the fullness of the Holy Spirit (Tabernacles). We have seen that Ez 45:20 talks about the Priests doing mediation for the people, thus I see this as a Pentecost work & statement for it is all about mediation. Peace offerings that are giving at all feasts, represents the work of reconciliation that the priest does. What I understand from the sacrifices, they basically show different information at different levels. The atonement of Lev 16 show a brief overview of the sanctification process showing both works of Christ. Whereas the Passover show only the first. The atonement of Lev 14 provide even more details of it by applying it to both the individual and the house(corporate body). Whereas the peace offering goes further in giving all the details and legal requirements for reconciliation by figuring out all the spiritual meanings of the symbols. Atonement is another word for reconciliation. So that’s why we see a lot of mentioning of Peace offerings in Ezekiel Temple services. So since all these services are mentioned there and they all represent mainly the Pentecost(sanctification) level of work; that’s why I don’t believe the Feast of Pentecost is fulfilled here.

I don’t know if Pentecost becomes fuses with Passover or just included in the peace offerings’ meanings. For sure some revelation of this will come for those that seek.

Just a note about Ez 45:23, the prince here is the head of a tribe or nation. He’s the one that brings a bullock. This is the specification for a peace offering from the herd (bovine). So this is for the nations(people) that the Prince represents. Peace offering are given at the 3 feasts which represents that at any level of faith(growth) the Lord accepts our peace offering by which many at that point of time will just have entered the Passover Level of faith (new believer).

Another note, many might think that Jesus accomplish the Type of the Passover at His death, but remember Jesus was our example, and we too need to offer ourselves as a living sacrifice and follow His steps to Calvary where our old man needs to be crucified with Him. Passover and its rituals still needs to be spiritually fulfilled in us (the real temple of God), as well as the Pentecost every day. To my understanding of the application of these TYPES and Shadows in our body temple, these feasts and sacrifices and rituals are not all done or accomplish not until we receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit(Tabernacles). Only at Tabernacle, we become covered by the glory of the Living God (people needed to make booth with living branches at Tabernacle and live in it for 7 days) thus receiving immortality.



I had already told you in my comments about Ez 45. Basically the transfer of authority from the Beasts Kingdoms to the Saints of the Most High was done Nov 16th 2014 by decree. This was instructed by the Lord and confirmed with signs almost a year in advance. That’s the purpose of prophetic calendar year that usually one main thing is in the Lord’s agenda that He communicates to His people that is learning to hear Him. That’s another purpose of prophetic calendar years, is for us to learn to hear His voice, we come to learn what law He is fulfilling and why, we learn to understand how He works them while being involve when a spiritual prayer warfare session is requested, and we rejoice with Him when see His purpose has been accomplished. At set dates, mainly corresponding to feasts dates, the Lord make events happens that are signs for us. Usually the prophetic year is started when He moves a believer or small group of believer with a small revelation(texts or a statement they have heard). Then the believers watches for signs on the appointed feast dates and other dates set from previous years prophetic calendar that show more information about the revelation and of what the Lord is doing that often progressively escalate to the end of the prophetic year. So for 2014, it was the transfer of authority. When the decree was pronounced (eg. Nov 26 2014) or whatever event of the end of a prophetic year is reached, more signs follows to reaffirm what has been accomplish. In this way we know, this is not from the imagination of someone and the Lord was behind this from the initiation, to fulfilling the events, while giving confirmation throughout. Nothing is done by man besides a little prayer session at times, and repeating some words (decree) that was given by the Lord. From last year decree, today, we have further confirmation of that transfer of authority for Mystery Babylon financial arm is collapsing.

As for the 2015 prophetic year by which relates to this discussion, just a few weeks ago, someone “sent word that James Maloney prophesied that this is the Year of the Dove. Then in mid-December, Diane took this photo of a dove in the sky overlooking the mountains of New Mexico in the background: We prayed about this and received confirmation that this indeed is the Year of the Dove. Perhaps it means that we will see the start of the season when the Holy Spirit is sent out into the earth in a new and special way. I hope that this applies to our own overseas trips coming up this year. Jonah (or Jonas/Jones) means “dove.”

All of the preparation that we have done over the years has been for a time such as this.”

This theme should be seen and repeated in some form in the coming events that will take place this year progressively fulfilling what the Lord has in mind while providing deeper information of the coming event and for future fulfillment.

Dove represents the Holy Spirit. So notice Stephen’s careful comment. This is from around 30 years experiences following prophetic calendars. He said “perhaps it means….the start of the season” of the latter rain. He's humble enough to admit that he himself don’t know what it means and what the Lord will pull out, for he has learn through the years that the Lord :

a) is full of surprises meaning how He applies the law,
b) very wise and deep,
c) takes cares of details when He fulfill the law,
d) fulfillment often comes in strides of lesser fulfillments that leads to the full fulfillment(eg. destruction of Jerusalem where 2 strides of partial fulfillment has come, with a 3rd coming (probably 2017) that fulfill in complete Is 29 & Jer 19),
e) is not in a hurry like we are,
f) and often prepares the ground by taking several little careful wise step at a time before a fulfillment.

Stephen, like many of us, has fallen into the trap to speculate beyond of what was reveal and at the end saw he didn’t fully know or understand the Lord’s detailed plans that often doesn’t go down as we think we have it figured out. We always have to be ready to discard our pre-conceived ideas. There’s room to speculate but it should never be presented as truth. So he has learn to say less now, and makes sure his communication differentiates clearly between thoughts that are only speculative from those things that are known by confirmation by the Lord.

I looked through Ezekiel 40-48 and the only place I saw about the 10th is:
If this was what you are referring to, that was when he was in vision. I'm not sure you can say when he had a vision had anything to do with the vision. For that would be like saying that only those can receive the Spirit of the Lord who are on the isle of Patmos on the Lord's day.

Is there some other 10th day you are referring to?

Revealed? Stephen Jones - who's he? Does that make a calendar switch so? I've heard some say it was revealed the space station is going to crash into the ocean, sink to the bottom, rupture the earth's crust, and cause an oil slick, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Who is he? Just a non-denonmination believer.

Do you believe that the Lord has believers in different folds? Do you believe He speaks to them as He did with David, Jacob, Joseph, etc... Do you believe that some today and particularly the 144k are able to hear His voice? I do believe this and I believe Stephen Jones is one of those that have learn to hear thru the years. I know this because I've been reading his blog for about 3 or 4 years and saw many many confirmation & signs thru worldly events things coming thru.

He doesn't hear a loud audible voice thought at time he does but that is in rare occasion. Most of the time it is via the small voice, very rarely via dreams, study, and mostly thru the events that the Lord makes happened in his life and in the world.

Hearing the Lord is not only for prophets or appostles but for all believers that enters the Pentecost level of faith. Paul defines faith as "faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word(rhema, utterance) of God."(Rom 10:17)

This means that kland needs to learn to hear also, as myself and all others in the SDA church also. No one is exempt from this step that is very necessary for our sanctification process. Without hearing we cannot be sanctify nor be saved. It boils down to that. I have expounded on this in the Does faith save or does grace saves? discussion.

The calendar switch is a prophetic discernment type of calendar switch mark by signs that the Lords gives. It won't be noticeable by most. The calendar switch is also marked by the coming events of the "New Kingdom" that will mark a new era. Let's all watch and see if this will come by which will be a gradual but still very noticeable that major changes are being done.

The TYPE and pattern the Lord laid in the past is the destruction of old Babylon by the kings of the Easts. The kingdom then was taken over by the Medes and Persian. Then Cyrus emmediatly funded Ezra to go to rebuild the temple and the city. Today the New Kingdom that follow the destruction of Mystery Babylon will follow the same pattern with China and Russia being the Kings of the East. They will fund the coming Kingdom of God (the small stone) that will grow gradually into a great mountain and will eventually fill the earth.(Dn 2:35)

I mean this coming fall. Cahn is saying that the Feast of Trumpets could be fulfilled this fall and that it will mean a severe shaking or judgment on America. He views the judgment as redemptive or as a warning and call to repentance.


On another thread, Dedication said something similar - that the seven trumpets of Revelation may refer more to the seven trumpets of the year rather than to the final Feast of Trumpets. I'm inclined to think you could both be right. If you are, the implication is that we could see earth shaking events begin as early as this March if this is the year they start.

Regarding the significance of the cleansing and Passover in Ezekiel's temple, the vision is both a warning and an assurance. Ezekiel's temple is cleansed on the first day of the new year by the blood on it's posts which is an assurance of safety from the destruction and guilt of sin just as the blood on the posts of the Hebrew homes was an expression of faith in the protecting power of God from the destruction of the first born of Egypt.

But notice that the first day of the new year is also the first day of the month, the time of blowing of the trumpet. Just today it occurred to me that the reason the blood is placed on the posts of the temple may be that this is also the first of the seven trumpets of Revelation 8 to 11; that the church will especially need the special protection of God at this time as the Hebrews did on the night of their deliverance. If the year starts this way and the trumpets sound successively in the following months, it would make sense that the year begins with the blood being applied to the posts of the temple and inner court. Ezekiel 45:18-20. We will need the supernatural protection of God during this time. So the initial cleansing in Ezekiel's temple, one week before the Passover, is the real preparation for the Passover that follows which may also be a harbinger of some additional earth shaking event.

But Elle, I wouldn't put the cleansing off to the Millennium. That can be a fatal notion. Now is the acceptable time and day of salvation. The doctrine of the Millennium in scripture teaches that it will only be enjoyed by those who overcome here and now and live to see Christ come or have a part in the first resurrection.

Elle, I do believe that there are others with light. I also believe there are others with error. Like I said, some SDAs on this forum have given "light" that the space shuttle is going to cause an oil slick. But that doesn't make it so.

I fail to see how you support that there is a calendar switch, that there should be a calendar switch, other than someone who you've read a lot of, says so. Did I understand that correctly?

I don't think Elle is saying there is a change to another calendar. I know I'm not saying that. I'm saying there is a transition to the feasts of Ezekiel's temple - a change in the days that apply to the church, spiritual Israel.

I had lost my reply to this the other day.

The calendar switch that was refered by Stephen Jones was a prophetic calendar switch, meaning the prophetic year revelations(that occur every year) would occur from passover to passover instead of formerly from Tabernacle to Tabernacle. This switch will be unnoticeable by most people and does not have any effect on any other calendars(Julian, Jubilee, Feasts, Hebrew, etc...).

What Mark is refering to is the "change" of feast that appears in the Ezekiel Temple. Mark's understanding that it is the Day of Atonement coming into the spring feast. I do agree with him that some sort of atonement occurs in the spring(Ez 45:18-20) but my impression (with the little I've studied it) it may be in line with the cleaning ritual with the two doves with some peace offerings.

So I related to this "switch" of Fall feasts to Spring feast to Mark impression of what he is understanding up to now, to what was reveal to Stephen Jones. Not really the same "switch" but yet I'm sure there is some connection.


The only reason I give an ear to what Stephen Jones says is because I know he hears the Lord's voice by following what he has blogged this past 3-4 years. No one is perfect, even the prophets in the Bible had to learn to hear accuratly. Over the years, Stephen has learn to not ADD nor take away from what the Lord reveal. Not that he hears His voice audibly very often. Through the years, most of his revelation comes from following the signs given on feasts watch dates and thru the events the Lord makes happen from year to year.

He also learn to never instigate anything, and when he thinks he has heard something, to allow the Lord to confirm it by a double witness. If no confirmation is given, then it was his imagination.

He's not the only one that the Lord speaks to and make His will known, but thru different people of His body (not from a particular Church, but spread in many different fold) so that the body can depend on one an another and not on just one person. Stephen just happened to be a gifted detail record keeper and proliferic blogger that will report different revelation from different individuals. I think Jonathan Cahn, a messianic Jew, is another that the Lord conveyed a very important timely message for us to know. And there's many more.

Yes, I agree with you many people say lots of things that doesn't come to pass because they spoke presumptuously. That's to be expected. It doesn't mean that the Lord never speak to them at other times. They just never learn to differentiate the voice of the Lord from their own. Most of what they hear is their own thoughts that they mistaken as the Lord's. This sad fact and many occurences are due because the vast majority of Christians today(and past) including SDAs doesn't know or teach their members how to hear the Lord's voice. However, this doesn't negate the fact that the Lord speaks to many people today and it is the vital part of our Pentecost spiritual growth level.

Then you have many that may have heard something very important that needs to be shared to the body, but covey the message with their own understanding and interpretation by adding to it that corrupts the original message. In these cases, we shouldn't throw away the baby with the bath water. The Lord can give us discernement to know which part is the valuable baby. Often the corruption mixed in the original message is due to heart idols.(Ezk 14:4) If we can come to identify these, we may be able to remove it from the message and get some part of what the Lord shared.

The bottom line is I believe the Lord talks TODAY to many different people, especially in conveying what He is about to do before it happens. It takes the gift of discernment to know which one to lend an ear to, and which one(or part of message) to discard. Only the Holy Spirit can teach you and give you discernment.

I don’t anticipate the Feast of Tabernacle to be fulfilled this coming fall.

My major reason are :
1)the prophecies(Is 29 & Jer 19) of the destruction of Jerusalem has to happen before, by which I now see this is probably only going to happen in the fall of 2017 which I briefly elaborated in this post.

2) Then I expect the Feast of Tabernacle to come into fulfillment on an end of a Jubilee cycle by which according to the timeline I have will be 2035. There’s many timeline circulating that are not accurate. I would be good to test via a good thorough study. That would be fun.

3) Also, I haven’t heard any reliable revelation of when the Feast of Tabernacle will be fulfilled. There’s lots of speculation out there as usual, but I think it is not yet reveal to the body and probably only will be reveal a year prior.

I haven’t listen to Cahn the last 2 years. I do believe he is right that there is a huge judgment coming especially on America. I believe judgment will come with the latter rain. I don’t know exactly the timing of it if a little before the rain but what I gathered is for the most part it will be together.

I do agree with Cahn views you wrote above. Because of the judgments many will come to repentance. It’s too bad it has to come this way, but that’s how the Lord said man learns righteousness (Is 26:9,10).


I do expect many major things happening starting this spring. The main thing is in the world economic realm that will cause some great agitation from Mystery Babylon for they will be sore of losing their power and will try to bring as much fear and turmoil on the sheeple. Hopefully they(Mystery Babylon) will be removed very soon. How this will happened and to what extend the agitation, I’m in the dark of any details. I do hope for the smoothest transfer of government as possible.

I do hope the latter rain (with judment) will come hopefully by the fall or sooner, but my hunch it may be late this fall.


That’s sound right to me. Tx for sharing that.



I do understand you apply Ezekiel Temple cleansing in perspective to what you believe the end will be with an earth destruction and a type of rapture of the believers(do you believe it will be only the overcomers? what a 5% of the population?) into heaven that will live there for 1000 years.

I apply it differently than you and go with what Ezekiel has defined the setting and purpose to be in 45:1 “Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation(heave offering) unto the LORD, an holy portion of the land:”

To me this sums up the major event that takes place prior of the “temple”(really the people of the land) cleansing and the mediation that the priest are instructed to do in the proceeding verses.

Right now I don't remember what the Pattern in the Law says: Did they divide the land after or before the conquering of the nation in Canaan? Whatever it is, I believe it will follow the type set in the law. The New Nisan 1st Feast described in Ez 45:18-20 happens AFTER the land has been divided. (see also v. 4,6,8; Ezk 46:3,9,16-18;47:13-23;and all of Ezk 48 that continues talking about the splitting of the land).

Have you considered this event of dividing the land? Do you see that this is according to the Type & pattern establish by the Lord via Joshua entering Canaan and what is also described in Rev 19:11-16 what is to come?


I don’t know how much time it will take for “the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.”(Dan 2:35) I do know the Lord will take the time it needs to establish His Kingdom on earth according to His word. This Kingdom shepperded by the uncorrupt Sons of Zadok, will not fail and will last forever and ever(Dan 7:18,27).



Yes I agree, that those that overcome in their current life will become the Priests described in Ezk 44, who will keep the charge of the Lord according to the pattern in the law, and "will reign with Him (Christ)" "on earth" during the millennium Rev 5:10 and 20:6.

However, all the other people that did not make the cut off are not killed. There’s two other groups that Ezekiel and the Type talks about: the Levites and the people(assembly) that the Priests ministers to.

Look at Ezekiel 44:10-14 that talks specifically about the corrupt Levites that “went astray away from me after their idols”(v.10) …that “ministered unto them (people of Israel) before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity”(v.12) … they(the corrupt Levites) “WILL minister in the sanctuary”(v.11)…but ” they(corrupt Levites) shall NOT come near unto me, to do office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place”(V.13)

We see in these verse, despite they were corrupt, they still will be used to minister to the people.

Then Ezekiel 44:15-31 gives details about the Priests, the sons of Zadok, that “kept the charge will minister to the Lord”(v.15) and "come near to my table(v.16) and wear the linen garments(v.17) when they minister to the Lord in the inner court(v.17), and put on the other (wollen) garments when they minister in the utter court to the people(v.19) and "they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean”(v.23)… “they shall judge… and keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies…”(v.24).

From Ezekiel and other scriptures, I see at least 3 groups during the time of the millennium: Priests(overcomers), Levites(corrupt believers); and the people(a huge group of new believers that resulted from the evangelization during the latter rain).

I was re-reading my post this morning and saw a few clarifications needed:



I forgot to include the link : http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forum...mic Restructure

Here's how I got the date 2017 and is more elaborated in that link above:

604 BC.................................................1917...................................2017
..[-----------------------------2520----------------------][--------------- +100yrs ---------------]
Jerusalem Conquered..................... Jerus.Land freed .............. Jerusalem Destroyed
.....by Babylon.............................& re-occupation begins .............. (land & Zionist)

The 2520 years is the 7 times(7x360yrs) captivity to the Beasts Empires that Israel & world was enslave to since Jerusalem was captured in 604 BC. The 7 times Judgment (correction measures to disciple His church) comes from the laws of disobedience found in Lev 26 and Deut 28.

It was not only a 70 years captivity, which that was the time of captivity under the "Iron Yoke" of the Babylonian Empire(Dt 28:48; Jer 28:14) but the Jews were moved under "wooden Yoke" captivities under other Beastly Empires. The length of their captivities was show to Daniel via symbolism of Beasts Empires that we know are Babylon, Medes & Persia, Greek, Rome, and the little horn (Corrupt Church). These 4+1 Beasts reign for 2520 years, however between the Greek empire and Roman Empire, the Jews were independent from any Beast Empire for a 100 years. They revolted after Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple and was free to rule themselves from 163 to 63 B.C.. Thus that’s why the Lord added that 100 years after the end of the 2520 years (to make up for lost time )and gave that rule time to Mystery Babylon, the beast of the earth. This last beast from the earth (Banking families), made an alliance with the first Beast of Rev 13 (Corrupt Church Beast(RCC))

Paul says in Gal 4:30 "Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." Paul is referring to the Type which he says are an allegory but prophecies of the necessity to cast out the bondwoman that he defines in v.25 as being Jerusalem. Abraham(God) had to cast out Agar(Jerusalem) and her children that persecuted Isaac(the rightful true heir)v.29, so that the son of Agar(Zionist, Judaizers, or regular Christians that are still attach to the old Jerusalem and slaved to the old covenant) shall not inherit with Isaac. So this reconstruction of the temple and resuming the sacrificial worship, and the regaining of the physical land, and the USA, Canada and Europe backing these Zionist plans that really not only wants to reclaim and rule the land of Palestine, but their agenda is to claim the whole earth……all these plans that are behind all the current & past wars needs to come to an end.

I foresee these Zionist plans will all abruptly end with another coming destruction of Jerusalem. Jeremiah 19:11 prophesies that Jerusalem will never again be rebuilt. This prophecy was partially fulfilled twice when Jerusalem was destroyed; however after both destruction, the city was rebuild. So this leaves Jeremiah 19:11 not fully fulfilled and points to another coming destruction where the city will never again be rebuilt. Isaiah 29:1-6 prophesies how God will lay siege to “Ariel,” (name for Jerusalem). V 5 & 6 seems to describe a nuclear war which I think such a war would certainly fulfill Jer 19:11 and would reframe people to build there for the nuclear radiation would make the place uninhabitable for a good period of time.

So that’s why I believe that only once “Agar is cast out”, will come time to allow “Isaac” to grow and take his rightful position as heir of the Kingdom with Christ.


I don’t know if you are aware but Mystery Babylon has been using the superbowl half-time show to convey their plans in symbolic language. This site http://www.watchmanscry.com/Super_bowl_49_Half_time_show.html has done a pretty good job in deciphering this year hidden messages. It is nice of them to let us know their plans ahead of time.

This year theme is the great harlot rides the beast and split the world in half and bring war between the West and the East. Nice plans but too bad the Lord will use their plans and adjust it to fulfill His own plans. At the end it will be the Lord’s plans that will be fulfilled and not theirs.

There could be much war ahead or who knows, maybe not that much at all for the Lord is able to do great things quickly. I really don’t know how it will all pan out, but one thing I do know the Lord will fulfill all His word.