Posted By: dedication
Christ, Human and Divine - 09/19/15 10:46 PM
This thread springs from another thread where the subject came up whether women being in subjection to men is inequality.
This argument dealing with Christ and the Godhead deserves a thread of its own.
By the way, Jesus role in the Godhead is that of the Son, a son must submit to his father. Does this make Jesus inferior to the Father in your eyes? Are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit not equal, while fulfilling different roles?
Does having differing roles necessitate inferiority? Because the Word of God does not fulfill the same function as the Head, does this mean He is the servant?
We cannot truly understand the mystery of Godliness; the exact synergy of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together in perfect union is beyond mere human comprehension.
With the statement above in mind, here are some verses worth considering:
"For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
1Corinthians 15:27-28
"when all things shall be subdued unto him". Paul is speaking of "Christ in His Divinity" here, of the future, AFTER Jesus has returned to heaven, AFTER His earthly mission is completed.
"then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him"
This text does not seem to "refer to the time when Christ took on humanity", rather it appears to refer to Him in His glorified state.
I see no shame or devaluation of humanity in following the example of our wonderful Lord Jesus.
This leads to another whole Bible Study.
Thus a whole new thread of it's own.
Firstly -- I don't think we fully understand what Christ gave up to redeem us.
It wasn't just a matter of assuming humanity for 33.5 years and then returning to His former position.
Christ didn't just take upon Himself human nature for 33.5 years, He has joined Himself to the human race for all eternity.
And for all eternity Christ, standing in His glorious humanity at the head of the human race, will lead the human race to praise and exalt the Father as God of all.
Christ's divinity is still equal with the Father's Divinity, he still has that Divinity and always will, but for all eternity Christ's humanity ties Him to the human race which looks to the Father as God all in all.
Yes, Christ lays aside His equality with the Father, (though in reality still has the right to full equality) to tie Himself with the human race for eternity!
This argument dealing with Christ and the Godhead deserves a thread of its own.
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
By the way, Jesus role in the Godhead is that of the Son, a son must submit to his father. Does this make Jesus inferior to the Father in your eyes? Are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit not equal, while fulfilling different roles?
Originally Posted By: dedication
There was and is no conflict of will in the Godhead.
Thus there was no need of submission.
The argument that Christ must submit to the will of God reduces the Divinity of Christ and assumes His will is in conflict with God's will.
Hardly a concept of equality.
"Texts used to support the above argument do not refer to Christ in His Divinity, but refer to the time when Christ took on humanity --
In His humanity He depended upon God the Father, as all humans need to depend upon God. It was His humanity that was in total submission to the will of God.
But people confuse that and think Christ in His Divinity is a lesser "god" in submission to another's will."
Thus there was no need of submission.
The argument that Christ must submit to the will of God reduces the Divinity of Christ and assumes His will is in conflict with God's will.
Hardly a concept of equality.
"Texts used to support the above argument do not refer to Christ in His Divinity, but refer to the time when Christ took on humanity --
In His humanity He depended upon God the Father, as all humans need to depend upon God. It was His humanity that was in total submission to the will of God.
But people confuse that and think Christ in His Divinity is a lesser "god" in submission to another's will."
Does having differing roles necessitate inferiority? Because the Word of God does not fulfill the same function as the Head, does this mean He is the servant?
We cannot truly understand the mystery of Godliness; the exact synergy of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together in perfect union is beyond mere human comprehension.
With the statement above in mind, here are some verses worth considering:
"For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
1Corinthians 15:27-28
"when all things shall be subdued unto him". Paul is speaking of "Christ in His Divinity" here, of the future, AFTER Jesus has returned to heaven, AFTER His earthly mission is completed.
"then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him"
This text does not seem to "refer to the time when Christ took on humanity", rather it appears to refer to Him in His glorified state.
I see no shame or devaluation of humanity in following the example of our wonderful Lord Jesus.
This leads to another whole Bible Study.
Thus a whole new thread of it's own.
Firstly -- I don't think we fully understand what Christ gave up to redeem us.
It wasn't just a matter of assuming humanity for 33.5 years and then returning to His former position.
Quote:
Christ took humanity upon Himself. He laid aside His royal robe and kingly crown, and stepped down from His high command in the heavenly courts. Clothing His divinity with humanity, Christ encircled the race with His long human arm. He stands at the head of humanity, not as a sinner but as a Saviour. {LHU 93.2}
Now by His divinity He lays hold upon the throne of heaven, while by His humanity He reaches us. {RC 24.3}
He carries sanctified humanity to heaven, there always to retain humanity as it would have been if man had never violated God's law. The overcomers, who upon the earth were partakers of the divine nature, He makes kings and priests unto God.--Manuscript 156, Oct. 26, 1903, "Christ, Our Divine-Human Example." {UL 313.6}
"God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son." He gave Him not only to live among men, to bear their sins, and die their sacrifice. He gave Him to the fallen race. Christ was to identify Himself with the interests and needs of humanity. He who was one with God has linked Himself with the children of men by ties that are never to be broken. Jesus is "not ashamed to call them brethren" (Hebrews 2:11); He is our Sacrifice, our Advocate, our Brother, bearing our human form before the Father's throne, and through eternal ages one with the race He has redeemed--the Son of man. {SC 14}
Now by His divinity He lays hold upon the throne of heaven, while by His humanity He reaches us. {RC 24.3}
He carries sanctified humanity to heaven, there always to retain humanity as it would have been if man had never violated God's law. The overcomers, who upon the earth were partakers of the divine nature, He makes kings and priests unto God.--Manuscript 156, Oct. 26, 1903, "Christ, Our Divine-Human Example." {UL 313.6}
"God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son." He gave Him not only to live among men, to bear their sins, and die their sacrifice. He gave Him to the fallen race. Christ was to identify Himself with the interests and needs of humanity. He who was one with God has linked Himself with the children of men by ties that are never to be broken. Jesus is "not ashamed to call them brethren" (Hebrews 2:11); He is our Sacrifice, our Advocate, our Brother, bearing our human form before the Father's throne, and through eternal ages one with the race He has redeemed--the Son of man. {SC 14}
Christ didn't just take upon Himself human nature for 33.5 years, He has joined Himself to the human race for all eternity.
And for all eternity Christ, standing in His glorious humanity at the head of the human race, will lead the human race to praise and exalt the Father as God of all.
Christ's divinity is still equal with the Father's Divinity, he still has that Divinity and always will, but for all eternity Christ's humanity ties Him to the human race which looks to the Father as God all in all.
Yes, Christ lays aside His equality with the Father, (though in reality still has the right to full equality) to tie Himself with the human race for eternity!