The coming April 2015 Tetrad

They say this is a tetrad. I understand a tetrad to be four eclipses in a row of which they are total. The one in April is not total.

If, as some suggest, it is "a sign from God", then wouldn't God be right on the mark? Wouldn't He make these eclipses perfectly centered? If this is really a sign from God, did He miss the target?

This April one is not centered and is not total. Not for anyone on the globe. It's not visible in Jerusalem, and only a portion of it will be visible on the east coast.

http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/virginia-beach

The tetrads can be predicted years, even centuries, in advance. They could predict them even in centuries past.
Even in ancient times individuals realized that eclipses happened at certain intervals. These knowledgeable individuals used these patterns of eclipses to impress or threaten the commoners and thus became the priests or authorities of the culture.

Even Christopher Columbus used this knowledge --
A total lunar eclipse occurred on March 1, 1504 (visible on the evening of February 29 in the Americas).
Columbus' men had been mistreating the natives and the natives were retaliating by refusing to give them food or provisions.
Columbus told the natives his god would provide a clear sign of his displeasure of their actions by making the rising full Moon appear "inflamed with wrath".
Just as he said, that evening a reddish moon eclipse sent the natives howling, bringing provisions, and begging for Columbus to ask his god to withdraw his wrath.


One can chart those eclipses --
and use them to push an agenda, implying it is God's sign to get the people to think a certain way.

In this present case the eclipses are being used to push the dispensationalist/futurist interpretation of prophecy.

Something will probably happen over in Israel (it's not hard to plan something when one knows the eclipses are coming) and this will be further used to push the dispensationalist/futurist interpretation of prophecy.

The question --
Are we going to abandon the historicist interpretation and accept the popular interpretations?

I guess what I'm saying, that even if someone did artificially correlate an event, it wouldn't mean anything since it's not even a tetrad.

However, I am getting the feeling that this is kind of like telling people that the beginning of the 21st century is not in 2000 but in 2001. Don't worry about the details or you'd miss the party.

Well isn't this strange. I see timeanddate.com has changed it from "partial eclipse" to "total eclipse". (In fact, several things have been changed) And the animations, instead of missing totality, it looks like it just grazes the edge. I find this strange indeed. Were they wrong before? Did someone cause/coerce them to change their web page? Can anything be trusted with them, now? Or did the positions of the Earth or Moon change in their line-up relation to the Sun?

You can search and still find references to it being a partial eclipse. But it almost sounds like websites are changing so they "won't miss the party".

One way to find out is to observe it. Can people make a point to look and see if it at least appears total or if still an edge is showing?

Eclipse times in Universal Time.

Partial umbral eclipse begins: 10:16 Universal Time (UT)
Total eclipse begins: 11:58 UT
Greatest eclipse: 12:00 UT
Total eclipse ends: 12:03 UT
Partial umbral eclipse ends: 13:45 UT


According to one reference:

"April 4 lunar eclipse can be regarded as a very shallow total lunar eclipse or a very deep partial lunar eclipse. The eclipse master, Fred Espenak, assures us that it’s actually a total eclipse of very short duration, (less then five minutes) despite some sites calling it a partial eclipse."

Yes, timeanddate is now saying that. But before, their animation showed a sliver of the moon not covered. Now it does. And they had labeled it as "partial" and said nothing about a short duration. Doesn't that seem odd for anyone to ever have said it was only "partial" because it was a short duration? To me, if at any point it reaches totality, it is a total eclipse regardless of time. I cannot believe someone would say it was "partial" because it was only 5 minutes, or 10 minutes, or 2 hours. I think someone is trying to pull something. They were either wrong before or wrong now.

I took a series of photos as the moon eclipsed. It managed to get to a thin sliver before disappearing below the horizon. The shadowed part did not appear red, but just disappeared in the brightening sky.

Questions:

Did anyone anywhere see a total eclipse?

Did the eclipse appear red to anyone?

Fully visible from Southern cailf. Tetrad info

Yes, the animation had been changed as I was referring to. A few weeks ago, it wasn't that way for California, Australia, or other places I checked.

But the questions are:

Did anyone anywhere see a total eclipse?

Did the eclipse appear red to anyone?

That is, did YOU see the total eclipse in Southern California or anywhere else?

Hmmmm....

Notice in the time and date for the April eclipse, and under the Image/Animation section. I always have trouble with little keyhole colors and matching them. So I count them. So while they may have changed some things, the number of shadings don't match. It's like they tried to overlap some....


Regarding this September eclipse, isn't it supposed to fall on a Jewish feast day?
Hmmmm.....

A full moon always fall on the 14 or 15 days after the new moon (dark - no sliver). http://fullmooncalendar.net/ The Feast of Tabernacle start on the 15th of the 7th month. So it should of worked if you count from the new moon. If you count from the first sliver...then at times the feast would begin 1 day or 2 days after the full moon.

Passover is always on the 14th of the first month...doesn't the Bible say there was also a blood moon on the day He died? https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-chris...he-crucifixion/

(Interesting, your calendar reference is a sunday keeping calendar)

And my question was regarding the marketing of the book, 4 blood moons, saying it was on the Jewish feast days. I'm saying the whole thing was a marketing fraud, a ploy to sell books. Once people realize it wasn't a tetrad, it didn't fall on the Jewish feast days, it doesn't matter because the book has been sold, and the authors will be promoting to the next sales gimmick.


So the question is, do you consider the Feast of Tabernacle to start on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday?
No, neither does answersingenesis:

However, there is considerable doubt that this interpretation is correct, because this eclipse was far from total, and the moon rose over Jerusalem after maximum eclipse.
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Furthermore, the context of Peter’s quotation of Joel’s prophecy was to explain the miracle of how people from various parts of the world were able to understand in their own languages what Galileans were saying (Acts 2:4–13). This was preceded by the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1–4).

And did you think this eclipse in any way remind you of "blood"? It would be hard to call it "red". Maybe "faintly orange".

??? What calendar do you think I’m referencing?

I don't know what book you are talking about, but for sure many people has put their own interpretation to these astrological events for many being unbelievers do not understand their meaning nor have any clue what the Lord is doing. The "believers" living during the time of Jesus didn't understand the astrological signs that accompanied Jesus’ birth and death neither. So I expect history to repeat again with the believers of today not understanding the tetrad or even noticing other astrological signs that have recently past announcing Jesus 2nd coming.


5 years ago(or more ?) when I started to keep the feasts I would of went with the Karaite Feast Calendar that is determined by the sighting of the first crescent ; thus they witness the first crescent on Sept 15th which brings the first day of Tabernacle on Wednesday(which started Tuesday evening).

This sighting of the first crescent occur 3 days after the dark moon(or new moon) which was on Sept 12. The full moon is 14 or 15 days after the dark moon not more or not less. My understanding is it is possible to see the first crescent by the naked eye 16 hours after the dark moon but the chances of this is very low. I couldn’t find some data showing the probability curve of the sighting within 3 days. The probability is higher to see it 2 or 3 days after the new moon. Thus to have the full moon to coincide with Passover(which is the 14th day of the first month) or on the first day of Tabernacle(the 15th day of the 7th day) by starting the month with the sighting of the first crescent is very low. But it can happen.

Now, we do understand that we live under the New Covenant and not the Old, meaning we now depend on Jesus to tells us(the body of believers that can hear His voice) when the year/months starts. I have spoken about that with you in other discussion despite you made known you didn’t agree. This is what I currently believe and follow whatever time table they have received from above and watch for the events the Lord will coordinate. This year they have made the Jubilee declaration in the court of heaven on the day of atonement (Sept 23) and the first day of Tabernacle started at sundown on Sunday when the full blood moon occur.

I provided that link because it was on the first page of a google list talking about the subject. Regardless of his opinion by which I do not agree with, he does give us the scriptures references and we can evaluate if his arguments are solid.

Before viewing answergenesis' two points you quoted … my only purpose I brought up Jesus death in this discussion is that we do know that He died on Passover (14th of the 1st month) by which two astrological occur: the sun was darkened by noon till 3pm, and their was a lunar eclipse starting at 3pm that was seen at sunset. So we have Matthew, Mark, Luke and other early writings that accounted for the unusual darkness that came plus NASA’s data showing us that there was a lunar eclipse that year at Passover.

My point : So this event does establish that lunar eclipse can happen on a Jewish Passover (the 14th of the month).

To me, having a partial eclipse perfectly reflect the nature of the event. Jesus’ death was a partial fulfillment of the feasts and of Joel 2 for the full fulfillment is to come at the time of the fulfillment of Tabernacle. Tabernacle is the climax and end goal of the feasts. Meaning that the manifestation of the Sons of God, is the grand event that the whole creation is waiting and groaning for. (Rom 8:19) So it is interesting that this Tabernacle eclipse was total.


It is true Peter said this after they just received the Holy Spirit in the upper room, however he was linking the signs of Joel 2 to the signs they had all witnessed 50 days prior by saying in v. 20. “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood” his conclusion in v 22 ” Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know”. It can’t be more straight than that. Peter was referring to Jesus’ death by which was accompanied with these two astrological signs besides all the other “wonders” like earthquake and the veil being ripped. Pentecost was not marked by these astrological signs …. it was only Passover that was.


Are you assuming that a partial eclipse have less of a red color? Or that any lunar eclipse (including full eclipse) does not appear blood red to you? If the later….does the Lord need to paint the moon with actual blood for you to call it a “blood moon”? It’s just a reference of the unusual color whether it be orange or more reddish. Concerning partial eclipse, I’ve seen pictures of some and they can appear as red (or as orange) as the full eclipse.

The one you gave in your link.
Uh... 4 blood moons.

Ok, you say there was a tetrad. The book made a big deal about it falling on Jewish feast days. What do you make of it?

This is new to me.

"They"? As in, you are not of "the body of believers"?
Who are "they" and are there more than one "they" with differing views?

"They" have access to the court of heaven? How do you know these "they" are the correct "they"?


But you said, "doesn't the Bible say there was also a blood moon on the day He died? https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-chris...he-crucifixion/"

If AnswersInGenesis doesn't support the Bible saying there was a blood moon on the day He died, then doesn't that seem very strange for you to say that and then give their link?

No. You have not established that.

I suppose you know beyond a doubt the year Christ died?

Elle, you said, "doesn't the Bible say there was also a blood moon on the day He died?" What do you define as a "blood" moon?

Yes. Read your link, please.
Still waiting for one.
Elle, the eclipse of April was only a faint grayish shadow. Again, what is your definition of "blood" moon?

There may or may not be some. But the last ones were not. They weren't even unusual color. In fact, a normal full moon rising is more orange than it was. Maybe you need to redefine your "blood" to mean "lack of color" or "faded"?