Posted By: Daryl
Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 08/26/06 11:32 PM
Time for this week's study and discussion on Rome and Antiochus, which you can find at this direct link:
http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/06c/less10.htmlLet the study and discussion begin.
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/01/06 01:31 AM
This week's study doesn't seem to be promoting any discussion.
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/01/06 01:35 AM
I found the following to be an ernestly written statement by the author of this quarterly:
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Indeed, the 1844 pre-Advent judgment is a crucial doctrine of the Adventist Church; not only does it explain the disappointment of 1844, it helps us understand who we are today and why we exist as a movement. With so much at stake, our enemy is constantly at work to undermine us, and if he can undo our belief in 1844, he will greatly succeed. Thus, it is important that we as Adventists be firmly rooted in this teaching, as well as be prepared to answer challenges against it.
This week's study presents a challenge within it.
Others, like Desmond Ford, also presents a challenge.
We also do need to be prepared to answer all the challenges against it.
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/01/06 03:52 AM
In line with this, Thursday's study states the following:
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History bears testimony to the amazing accuracy of this prophecy. The he-goat, of course, was ancient Greece, and after the death of Alexander the Great, the empire split apart, for a time, into "four kingdoms" (Dan. 8:22) under four generals. One of the kingdoms was the Seleucid, which lasted from about 301 B.C. until about 146 B.C. Among these kings, one was named Antiochus Epiphanes. He was the eighth Seleucid king (175-164 B.C.); twenty more followed after him. Through the conquests of his predecessors, he, for a short while attained control of Judea, defiled the temple in Jerusalem for about three years, and persecuted the Jews. He died, apparently from natural causes, in a later campaign (164 B.C.) after being driven out of Jerusalem. He is the one who most interpreters believe is the little horn.
I thought this was a newer interpretation of the RCs in response to them being referred to as the little horn?
Posted By: the1888message
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/01/06 03:48 PM
In 304 AD Porphyry wrote, “Antiochus was the little horn. While in 258 AD Cyprian wrote that Antiochus was a “type” of Anti-christ. Again Cyril 386 AD Polychremius 430 AD all held that “Antiochus” was the “little horn”.
While it was not until Joachim of Floria in 1202 AD that we find someone who states that the “little horn” is the anti-Christ and not Antiochus”. And not until 1246 AD do we find the “little horn” called the “papacy” by Eberhard II of Salzburg. From there the “little horn” has been almost always referred to as the “papacy” by just about all the true Pro-test-ants until modern times. When the pagan / roman / catholic church and her Jesuits brought this old teachings that the “little horn” is “Antiochus” back to light and guess what, much of the once pro-test-ant world follows their mother.
I liked what was written next in the study.
According to Daniel 8:17, 19, 26, the prophecy dealt with endtime things, and the little horn was the last power presented in the vision. Because he died in 164 B.C., why can Antiochus not be the
little horn?
3. According to Daniel 8:25, the little horn would be “broken without hand,” a phrase we saw earlier that—through parallelism with Daniel 2:34, 45—depicted a supernatural, cataclysmic destruction. Why, given what’s written above about his demise, does Antiochus not fit again?
Despite the evidence (and there’s more) against Antiochus, Adventists are almost alone in the Christian world in our position opposed to that interpretation. What does this tell us about our need to stand firm in our beliefs, despite a majority of voices against our position? In what other ways do you have to stand firm for a position that is not popular?
Peace and Grace
David
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/01/06 04:13 PM
The Teacher's Section of the quarterly has interesting information in it against Antiochus Epiphanes being the little horn, which is broken down into four points.
Here is point #1:
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Antiochus did come out of the Seleucid division of Alexander's empire. He ruled over Syria from 175-163 B.C. But such a short reign cannot come anywhere near the description of the little horn whose power and influence extend to the end of time (Daniel 8:17,19).
I will add the next point in a separate post after allowing us some time to digest and comment on this one.
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/02/06 12:06 AM
No comments from anybody yet?
Anyway, here is point #2:
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In 168 BC, Antiochus invaded Palestine, massacred thousands of Jews, and attempted to change their culture and religion by desecrating the Jesusalem temple with sacrifices of unclean animals. This resulted in the Maccabean revolt and the rededication of the temple in 164 BC. The temple itself never was fully destroyed, and the sanctuary system was not abolished for 2,300 years (Daniel 8:14). So, Antiochus cannot be the little horn.
Posted By: razorren
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/02/06 03:39 AM
I did this comparision sheet for the Sabbath lesson tomorrow.
http://www.happysabbath.org/Little_Horn_Antichrist.doc~Ren
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/02/06 03:42 AM
The links to the lesson quarterly no longer seem to be working. They were working when I first created this topic.
Has anybody else noticed this?
Posted By: James Saptenno
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/02/06 04:07 AM
For me, the most correct identification of the litle horn is the fulfilment Dan. 7:25 prophecy.
He shall speak great words against the most High ................. and think to change times and laws ......
It was fulfilled by the RC Papacy doctrines and dogmas from early time till now and a wholly change of the Ten Commandments and Sabbath to Sunday.
Doctrines and dogmas that speak great words against the most High: prayer to the death, veneration of angels and death saints, the worship of Mary as Mother of God, Immaculate conception of Virgin Mary, Purgatory, Transubstantiation of the wafer, Confession to a priest and many others.
Antiochus Ephiphanes could not be this little horn, for he has nothing to say that was against the most High.
In His love
James S
Posted By: RichH
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/02/06 08:11 AM
The ssnet links were broken for me also. I did some searching at the GC site and found these links which are working:
http://www.adventist.org/bible_study/sabbath_school.html.enhttp://absg.adventist.org/Standard.htm
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/02/06 01:20 PM
As far as your first link goes, this is a more direct link:
http://absg.adventist.org/This is also a direct link to the teacher's quarterly:
http://absg.adventist.org/Teachers.htm
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #10 - Rome and ANTIOCHUS - 09/02/06 07:39 PM
The other links are working again.
