3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community

Posted By: Daryl

3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 06/26/16 06:28 PM

Link to the 3rd Quarter of studies:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/16c/
Posted By: Daryl

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 06/26/16 11:42 PM

Here is the link to this week's lesson:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/16c/less01.html
Posted By: Daryl

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 06/26/16 11:44 PM

A good question is asked in Sunday's:

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How does Scripture explain what being made in God’s “image” means? See also Gen_1:31, Deu_6:5, and 1Th_5:23.
Posted By: dedication

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 07/07/16 10:09 AM

When Adam came from the Creator's hand, he bore, in his physical, mental, and spiritual nature, a likeness to his Maker. "God created man in His own image" (Genesis 1:27), and it was His purpose that the longer man lived the more fully he should reveal this image--the more fully reflect the glory of the Creator. All his faculties were capable of development; their capacity and vigor were continually to increase. Vast was the scope offered for their exercise, glorious the field opened to their research. The mysteries of the visible universe--the "wondrous works of Him which is perfect in knowledge" (Job 37:16)--invited man's study. Face-to-face, heart-to-heart communion with his Maker was his high privilege. Had he remained loyal to God, all this would have been his forever. Throughout eternal ages he would have continued to gain new treasures of knowledge, to discover fresh springs of happiness, and to obtain clearer and yet clearer conceptions of the wisdom, the power, and the love of God. More and more fully would he have fulfilled the object of his creation, more and more fully have reflected the Creator's glory. {Ed 15.1}
Posted By: asygo

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 07/16/16 09:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Daryl
A good question is asked in Sunday's:

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How does Scripture explain what being made in God’s “image” means? See also Gen_1:31, Deu_6:5, and 1Th_5:23.

Originally Posted By: dedication
When Adam came from the Creator's hand, he bore, in his physical, mental, and spiritual nature, a likeness to his Maker. "God created man in His own image" (Genesis 1:27), and it was His purpose that the longer man lived the more fully he should reveal this image--the more fully reflect the glory of the Creator. {Ed 15.1}

Our goal now is to get that image back, in ourselves and in others.
Posted By: kland

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 07/26/16 05:34 PM

Monday:
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“No distinction on account of nationality, race, or caste, is recognized by God. He is the Maker of all mankind. All men are of one family by creation, and all are one through redemption. Christ came to demolish every wall of partition, to throw open every compartment of the temple, that every soul may have free access to God. His love is so broad, so deep, so full, that it penetrates everywhere.” - Ellen G. White, Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 386.

Though some, even on this forum, hold that God has marked certain races as somehow "less". Disregarding that after the flood all were descended from Noah and his wife and children.
Posted By: APL

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 07/26/16 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: kland
Though some, even on this forum, hold that God has marked certain races as somehow "less". Disregarding that after the flood all were descended from Noah and his wife and children.
Yes! And some still want to keep some partitions in place; "every" does not mean "all" apparently.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 07/28/16 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: kland
Though some, even on this forum, hold that God has marked certain races as somehow "less". Disregarding that after the flood all were descended from Noah and his wife and children.
Yes! And some still want to keep some partitions in place; "every" does not mean "all" apparently.

Many willfully reject the context of an Ellen White statement in order to force its support of a preconceived notion they hold. Such may well be the case here, considering some very plain statements from her pen that might otherwise appear in contradiction to the quote under consideration.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: kland

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/12/16 07:34 PM

Green, what does “No distinction on account of nationality, race, or caste, is recognized by God" mean to you?


Tuesday August 9:
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According to Jesus, the two greatest commandments are love to God and love to neighbor (Luke 10:27-28). He also showed us who our neighbors are (Luke 10:29-37). No question, too, that Jesus’ life, from beginning to end, was an expression of the pure love of God, who Himself is love (1 John 4:16). Thus, if we are to reflect the character of God, if we are to help reveal to others the reality of God and what He is like, we are to love.
Though some say we should not reflect the character of God.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/13/16 06:41 AM

Originally Posted By: kland
Green, what does “No distinction on account of nationality, race, or caste, is recognized by God" mean to you?


Tuesday August 9:
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According to Jesus, the two greatest commandments are love to God and love to neighbor (Luke 10:27-28). He also showed us who our neighbors are (Luke 10:29-37). No question, too, that Jesus’ life, from beginning to end, was an expression of the pure love of God, who Himself is love (1 John 4:16). Thus, if we are to reflect the character of God, if we are to help reveal to others the reality of God and what He is like, we are to love.
Though some say we should not reflect the character of God.


kland,

When you know ALL of Ellen White's writings, you will have more "context" to inform your views of her meanings. I would say, honestly, that her statements quoted earlier here should be understood in the same context as Galatians 3:28. God regards all as of equal value in His kingdom. Each one has an equal opportunity to come to God, receive His love, to learn of Him, and to be saved by His grace through faith.

This "equality" and lack of "distinction" does not apply to distinctions which God Himself has already made. Men should not marry men. Women should not marry women. Gender distinctions should remain clear, despite the text saying "neither male nor female." The text was not intended to blur the lines between sexes. My earlier post was intended to address this modern issue, a problem in our church today, with regard to egalitarianism.

To demonstrate that some lines of distinction, even with respect to races, still exist as ordained by God, the following should suffice.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Dear Friend:

In reply to inquiries regarding the advisability of intermarriage between Christian young people of the white and black races, I will say that in my earlier experience this question was brought before me, and the light given me of the Lord was that this step should not be taken; for it is sure to create controversy and confusion. I have always had the same counsel to give. No encouragement to marriages of this character should be given among our people. Let the colored brother enter into marriage with a colored sister who is worthy, one who loves God, and keeps His commandments. Let the white sister who contemplates uniting in marriage with the colored brother refuse to take this step, for the Lord is not leading in this direction. {2SM 344.1}

Time is too precious to be lost in controversy that will arise over this matter. Let not questions of this kind be permitted to call our ministers from their work. The taking of such a step will create confusion and hindrance. It will not be for the advancement of the work or for the glory of God.--Letter 36, 1912. {2SM 344.2}

The Lord looks upon the creatures He has made with compassion, no matter to what race they may belong. God "hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth."... Speaking to His disciples the Saviour said, "All ye are brethren." God is our common Father, and each one of us is our brother's keeper.--The Review and Herald, Jan. 21, 1896. {2SM 344.3}


Notice in the above that even though blacks and whites are "of one blood," God forbids their intermarriage. Equality does not mean no distinction should be made.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: APL

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/15/16 03:17 AM

Originally Posted By: green
Notice in the above that even though blacks and whites are "of one blood," God forbids their intermarriage. Equality does not mean no distinction should be made.
God FORBIDS this? Where do you get this from? Read EGW's quote you provided again. NO WHERE does God forbid this!!!!!!!! That is NOT what EGW is talking about.
Posted By: kland

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/15/16 10:38 PM

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When you know ALL of Ellen White's writings,
No one knows Ellen White's writings as well as Green does!

Trump, Trump, Trump....
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/16/16 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: green
Notice in the above that even though blacks and whites are "of one blood," God forbids their intermarriage. Equality does not mean no distinction should be made.
God FORBIDS this? Where do you get this from? Read EGW's quote you provided again. NO WHERE does God forbid this!!!!!!!! That is NOT what EGW is talking about.


APL,

Perhaps you need to read the sum of her statements on this topic as I have. She says explicitly that the line between black and white should not be obliterated. But I won't do your homework for you.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: kland

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/17/16 01:27 AM

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“No distinction on account of nationality, race, or caste, is recognized by God. He is the Maker of all mankind. All men are of one family by creation, and all are one through redemption. Christ came to demolish every wall of partition, to throw open every compartment of the temple, that every soul may have free access to God. His love is so broad, so deep, so full, that it penetrates everywhere.” - Ellen G. White, Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 386.
Green, what does “No distinction on account of nationality, race, or caste, is recognized by God" mean to you? In context of what she is saying, how is that different from what you are saying about Black people not being ... what?
Posted By: kland

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/18/16 05:03 PM

Thursday:
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Another Kind of Comforter

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God” (2 Cor. 1:3-4, NKJV).
Who's the comforter in this text?
Posted By: APL

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/19/16 06:22 AM

Originally Posted By: green
APL,

Perhaps you need to read the sum of her statements on this topic as I have. She says explicitly that the line between black and white should not be obliterated. But I won't do your homework for you.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
I know the quotes of EGW on the issue. Your interpretation of God is still wrong. EGW counsel is not that God want to maintain a barrier between those of different skin color, that that you claim have the mark of Cain. I wonder how would tread a person of mixed heritage?
Posted By: Daryl

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/19/16 10:39 PM

Does this EGW quote still apply today, or was it for young people at a specific time and not for them or us today?
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In reply to inquiries regarding the advisability of intermarriage between Christian young people of the white and black races, I will say that in my earlier experience this question was brought before me, and the light given me of the Lord was that this step should not be taken; for it is sure to create controversy and confusion. I have always had the same counsel to give. No encouragement to marriages of this character should be given among our people. Let the colored brother enter into marriage with a colored sister who is worthy, one who loves God, and keeps His commandments. Let the white sister who contemplates uniting in marriage with the colored brother refuse to take this step, for the Lord is not leading in this direction. {2SM 344.1}

It seems that I may have a bit of EGW researching to do, as I know of more than one black and white marriages with two of them today both being medical doctors.
Posted By: kland

Re: 3rd Quarter 2016 - The Role of the Church in the Community - 08/23/16 12:54 AM

You do realize this is a different issue than Green was raising. Whether intermarriage between blacks and white is proper today or not has nothing to do with saying blacks are somehow marked less human.

But as far as marriage goes, it works best when the people are equal, whether race, upbringing, area of country, etc. She talks lots about potential partners being unequally yoked, and this not dealing with skin color.
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