Pope Benedict XVI's resignation because of child abuse scandal?

The Roman Catholic church has long known about and covered up what they have done to the children, and many are saying that Pope Benedict XVI's resignation was because of the child abuse happening in the church, and that he may have not been as open as it seems in his role in it. The Church has come under the spotlight in recent times over allegations that it had covered up sexual abuse of children to protect paedophiles and its own reputation, rather than the children.



"An Australian group representing the victims of sexual abuse has welcomed Pope Benedict XVI's resignation, saying he had done little to stop "the reign of terror of child rapist priests", a report said.

The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) issued a statement calling for the next pontiff to be more cooperative with inquiries into abuse claims, according to a report by the Australian Associated Press (AAP).

Spokeswoman Nicky Davis said: "Victims welcome the resignation of a church official with immense power who has done so little to stop the reign of terror of child rapist priests.

"In the eyes of many victims, Joseph Ratzinger has personally done much to add to the huge number of victims and exponentially increase the suffering of those already harmed."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/...pes-resignation

The Pope has had many other scandals, but this one may have been the reason for his resignation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/..._n_2660899.html

http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/02/12/...;videoChannel=1

It is very much probable to be the case that the Pope resigning because of pedoephilia crimes. The pressure was very high due mainly to the work of Kevin Annett. However, the charges went much broader. The government of many countries also was in it. For example, they have used our Canadian native indians and the natives in Australia to use these children into their pedeophilia sex rings.

Kevin Annett of ITCCS(International Tribunal Into Crimes of Church and State) has been one of the main force in charging the Catholic Church, Anglican Church, and United Church of Canada and the government of Canada of these crimes, documenting many cases with many evidence and witnesses and bringing them into court.

Kevin doesn't terms it as pedoephilia sex rings. I'm the one who used that term because that's the only word I have to try to describe it. However it is a collaboration between multiple agencies and the government and the Churches that are involve in these crimes. In England this terms is what properly define the crimes going on in their country.

Kevin has extended his work in other countries also. For example in the US, Kevin is working with an attorney at the CCR(Center for Constitutional rights)to tackle the many criminal court cases where the Catholic church and others involve there. The criminal files are very thick and the Catholic church, the Canadian government and other countries, specific individuals, agencies, and etc.. has already been brought to court in numerous occurances since last fall. Part of the info is provided in this discussion here http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=140580#Post140580 .

I have seen many other current report from their website(http://itccs.org/) that I haven't brought in that discussion. The pressure is very high on the Catholic Church and the government concerning these crimes.

What seems worst is the pedeophelia ring crimes that has been taking place in England. The government there and the Royal family and the BBC and the Police are very deep above their head with these crimes coming out in public. There's been many victimes coming out, many articles and news report circuling around since last fall. All you need is to google the name Jimmy Savile.

Here's a link below that briefly takes an outlook of the situation connecting Jimmy Savile, Stuart Hall, both BBC stars and heavy in pedopelia crimes, both was involve with children in their work, both highly honored by the Royal Family. Savile was head of many children charity programs in the country, overseeing these progams in Hospitals and orphanages. Hall was recently made Officer of the Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth in 2012 before he was arrested. If my memory is correct, Jimmy was made a knight not that long before he died.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/sunday-express-jimmy-savile-was-part-of-satanic-ring/

Seriously!? We are going to discuss why the pope is resigning??
Old age 85, poor health, stress... And of course the Catholic curse of abuses... The message of Jesus should be adhered to on this issue, "he who is without sin, cast the first stone"
Look I do not have a vested intrest in what the Catholics do...

BBD, I agree that no one is without sin and many denominations(including SDAs) spend lots of time pointing their finger at the RCC and the Pope when they have a plank in their eyes.

Personally I'm interested in correctly understand the signs of the times and prophecies as they are being fulfilled before our eyes. As we all know Mystery Babylon is going(is now) fallen. I believe this is what we are seeing. Governments, Bankers, RCC, Royal Family, corporations, secret societies, etc... are being judged. These are to be an encouragement to us that the time of Jesus second coming is at hand.

Pope Benedict resigned to avoid arrest, seizure of church wealth by Easter

http://itccs.org/2013/02/13/pope-benedic...alth-by-easter/

"Diplomatic Note was issued to Vatican just prior to his resignation
New Pope and Catholic clergy face indictment and arrest as "Easter Reclamation" plan continues
A Global Media Release and Statement from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State
Brussels:

The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.

The ITCCS Central Office in Brussels is compelled by Pope Benedict's sudden abdication to disclose the following details:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.

2. This arrest warrant was to be delivered to the office of the "Holy See" in Rome on Friday, February 15, 2013. It allowed the nation in question to detain Ratzinger as a suspect in a crime if he entered its sovereign territory.

3. A diplomatic note was issued by the said nation's government to the Vatican's Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, on Monday, February 4, 2013, informing Bertone of the impending arrest warrant and inviting his office to comply. No reply to this note was received from Cardinal Bertone or his office; but six days later, Pope Benedict resigned.

4. The agreement between our Tribunal and the said nation included a second provision to issue a commercial lien through that nation's courts against the property and wealth of the Roman Catholic church commencing on Easter Sunday, March 31, 2013. This lien was to be accompanied by a public and global "Easter Reclamation Campaign" whereby Catholic church property was to be occupied and claimed by citizens as public assets forfeited under international law and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

5. It is the decision of our Tribunal and the said nation's government to proceed with the arrest of Joseph Ratzinger upon his vacating the office of the Roman Pontiff on a charge of crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.

6. It is our further decision to proceed as well with the indictment and arrest of Joseph Ratzinger's successor as Pope on the same charges; and to enforce the commercial lien and "Easter Reclamation Campaign" against the Roman Catholic church, as planned.

In closing, our Tribunal acknowledges that Pope Benedict's complicity in criminal activities of the Vatican Bank (IOR) was compelling his eventual dismissal by the highest officials of the Vatican. But according to our sources, Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone forced Joseph Ratzinger's resignation immediately, and in direct response to the diplomatic note concerning the arrest warrant that was issued to him by the said nation's government on February 4, 2013.

We call upon all citizens and governments to assist our efforts to legally and directly disestablish the Vatican, Inc. and arrest its chief officers and clergy who are complicit in crimes against humanity and the ongoing criminal conspiracy to aid and protect child torture and trafficking.

Further bulletins on the events of the Easter Reclamation Campaign will be issued by our Office this week.

Issued 13 February, 2013
12:00 am GMT
by the Brussels Central
"

The Rat Scurries from the Vat: The Latest Coup in Rome
Posted on February 13, 2013 by Jean by Kevin D. Annett
February 11, 2013
Facebook post

Theories are abounding this week now that the first pope in seven centuries is resigning his office. But as always, the most direct way to the truth behind the world’s oldest corporation is simply by following the money: and specifically, Vatican Bank money.

Let’s put to rest, first of all, the fallacy that “looming scandals” about child rape and coverup are behind Joseph Ratzinger’s resignation.

That’s just the cover story.

Nobody in the church hierarchy is losing much sleep over their standing, canon-law endorsed policy of concealing and protecting child rapists in their ranks. Even the International Criminal Court application about such crimes has been stymied by catholic-run legislators and jurists.

What pronounced the death knell on Pope Benedict was his personal implication in the bribery and money-laundering practices of the Vatican Bank, comically known as The Institute of Religious Works (IOR); and how that dirty connection gave the anti-Ratzinger faction in the College of Cardinals the lever they needed to dump the obstinate German from the papal throne.
The Ex Pope and the New Pope? Joseph Ratzinger (l) and the palace coup-master, Cardinal Bertone

We had a whiff of that dump-Rat Boy agenda last year, when “Vatileaks” broke into the news with a ludicrous story of how Ratzinger’s loyal butler Paolo Gabriele disclosed the pope’s dirty secrets to the Italian media. In fact, the damning documents detailing Ratzinger’s secret rewarding of Vatican contracts to his friends and family members originated in the Vatican Secretary of State’s office, which the fall-guy butler could not have had access to.

The Secretary of State and the real power behind the papacy is Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, an old insider who also engineered the sacking of Gotti Tedeschi, head of the Vatican Bank, last May.

Tedeschi had taken seriously the call of the European Parliament for “greater transparency” by the Vatican Bank /IOR, and was about to disclose to Brussels how his bosses had been laundering money for the mob for decades. The last Pope who had tried such a disclosure, John Paul 1, died from poisoning in September, 1978 after less than a month in office.

But even with Tedechi silenced, the IOR house of cards kept tumbling, as the European Parliament seized from it 300 million Euros fraudulently acquired, and even the American Securities and Exchange Commission declared the IOR’s assets and practices “insecure”. A major Vatican housecleaning was required; or at least, the appearance of one.

It was the pivotal Cardinal Bertone who leaked the pope’s diary and other incriminating papers to a catholic-friendly journalist in Rome last year soon after the sacking of Tedeschi, to prepare the world for Ratzinger’s removal. For it is Bertone who is now reaping the benefits of the papal housecleaning; he is not only a primary contender for the pope’s position but a key player in the IOR.

During my first speaking tour in Rome, in the fall of 2009, I met with several senior Italian senators and officials of the parliamentary Radical Party. They all said the same thing about why Joseph Ratzinger had been made pope, and what awaited him. To quote one of those politicians,

“Nobody becomes pope without a sordid past, because only with such liabilities can he be controlled by the Curia. It’s the same in any big company. Well, Ratzinger made many indisrections as a Cardinal and made many enemies. His signing letters ordering criminal concealment was just one sin. He was to be the scapegoat for all of the trash that the church knew would surface”

So now, the papal scapegoat is gone, pensioned off to wherever ex-popes end up; and the time for the big face lift has arrived.

The idea of applying cosmetic surgery to a decaying facade like the Church of Rome reminds me of Shirley Maclaine trying to look forty at the age of ninety. And yet appearances are everything in show business as well as in religion.

Tarcisio Bertone is about as institutional as you can get, and represents the old Italian crowd of the Curia and are part of the Mob-government-papal clique that run the country and the Roman catholic church. In the words of one of the Roman Senators I spoke with,

“You must understand that in my country, the Mafia and the government and the Vatican are all the same people, and they really have only one concern: protecting their assets.”

Bertone, or whoever from the victorious ranks of his faction does assume the papal tiria, cannot be expected to do much but maintain the assets and security of the church, and that means by continuing the policies of silence and dissimulation that keeps the cash flowing. But their position is more difficult now in the wake of the enormous rifts developing within the wider church, where Cardinals are facing criminal prosecution for shielding child rapists, and talk of disaffiliating from Rome is widespread among Irish, American and German Bishops.

“We have all the grounds for a second Reformation now. That’s how serious is the crisis. The church will either rid itself of itself or face collapse” said the Roman Senator to me.

It was easy to despise Joseph Ratzinger: the Hitler Youth raised, reactionary bigot who sacked liberal and independent thinkers in his church as the Cardinal-head of the Vatican Inquisition, and who told American Bishops that purgatory awaited any of them who did not cover up priestly child rape. Even among fellow Cardinals, he was known as “Joe the Rat”.

But Ratzinger was a made to order object of hatred, and put there to play out the oldest game in politics: the venting of popular rage on a disposable figurehead so that the institution itself could proceed unscathed.

I doubt that it’s totally coincidental that Ratzinger was forced out of office so quickly barely ten days after our Common Law court published online hard evidence of the Pope’s involvement in crimes against humanity. Any new Pope will face the same charges, of colluding in a massive criminal conspiracy.

But the real issue is not who or what will replace Joseph Ratzinger as the latest figurehead, but how to displace the Vatican itself as a criminal power unto itself. And that struggle is just commencing.

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Does an intimate knowledge of the reason why the pope resigned give us better insight into the the fulfillment of prophecy?

Hopefully it will.

I can't verify this online.
Is it a hoax?

That was my first impression--that it was a hoax.

The source is Kevin Arnette who was defrocked and fighting for his cause.
No doubt he is trying to gathering enough support to do what he is threatening.
To what level that support has been given is probably the question we should ask.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

This evil that prevails in the Catholic church is an identifying trademark of the end time papal beast. Our witnessing this is essential to identifying the beast, and for ammunition in proclaiming the loud cry.

They create their own demise by reinterpreting scripture, our only safety, for their own purposes so they are vulnerable to those attacks of Satan. Because they forbid the marrying of their priests they set themselves up to fail, the fruit of their teachings.

"The sins of the popular churches are whitewashed over. Many of the members indulge in the grossest vices and are steeped in iniquity. Babylon is fallen and has become the cage of every foul and hateful bird! The most revolting sins of the age find shelter beneath the cloak of Christianity. Many proclaim the law of God abolished, and surely their lives are in keeping with their faith. If there is no law, then there is no transgression, and therefore no sin; for sin is the transgression of the law." {1TT 439.2}

If it is true, we should remember that the fourth angel comes at the right time repeating the message that Babylon is fallen is fallen.

"The light which attended this angel penetrated everywhere, as he cried mightily, with a strong voice, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird." The message of the fall of Babylon, as given by the second angel, is repeated, with the additional mention of the corruptions which have been entering the churches since 1844. The work of this angel comes in at the right time to join in the last great work of the third angel's message as it swells to a loud cry. And the people of God are thus prepared to stand in the hour of temptation, which they are soon to meet. I saw a great light resting upon them, and they united to fearlessly proclaim the third angel's message." {EW 277.1}

The priests' sex scandals proclaim to the world that Babylon is fallen.

If Benedict was forced to resign because a world body was about to indict him for covering up the crimes of his priests and that European organization was going to impound the Vatican's wealth: without a pope, the process may be delayed.

If any of that is true, the papacy might not be too inclined to replace the pope.

And there is a precedence for the Catholic Church to be popeless for a year.

In 1798 the French took Pope Pius VI prisoner to France. He died that year in his captivity.

The following year 1799, there was no pope.

In 1800, Pope Pius VII was installed.

If there is anything to the political allegations, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI is still around to give spiritual counsel to the Catholic Church, but it appears that there is no official leader to be indicted.

Babylon is fallen. Some of the virgins are sleeping. And the Bridegroom is even at the door.

Blessings

And back on the idea of prophetic time:

As the world looks at the Vatican, do we know what to expect?

I would note something that I have encountered in my study. I have come across some interesting points relating to time (the Hour of His Judgment).

The Hour of His Judgment is come.

That is a point in time when the Judgment arrives as it was when Jesus said My hour is not yet come.

But an hour is also a specific length of time like 60-minutes

"There is a concept in Judaism called Sha’ah Zemanit:
“Proportional hour…Total daylight hours divided by 12. ” http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/134527/jewish/About-Zmanim.htm

"Since a day with the Lord is as 1,000-years and 6,000-years are allotted for sin to run its course, the 1,000-years for Satan to be cast into the abyss parallels the Sabbath rest that he so despised. Thus the 7-days of creation foreshadow a 7,000-year limit until sin is completely eradicated. Based on a 1,000-year days composing the 7,000-year/week, how long would an hour be? Did Jesus not answer, “Are there not twelve hours in the day?” (John 11:9.)

"Can the length of the Hour of Judgment be calculated from the perspective of the Sha’ah Zemanit: 1,000-year day divided by 12-hours? Based on that math an hour can be 83-years and 4-months. That being true, when His Judgment Hour began on 22 October 1844 with the judgment of the dead, 83-years 4-months ended on 22 February 1928. Is it possible for the Judgment hour to have ended on 22 February 1928, then why did Jesus not come on that day?"

I suspect that the Judgment of the living is also for and hour. Since the Judgment of the dead began on 22 October 1844 (Yom Kippur) while the papacy was dead from its deadly wound, I wondered when the Judgment of the Living might begin? The SOP says in Ellen's day that we can't know that date for certainty.

But if after the Judgment of the dead continued for one prophetic hour of 83-years 4-months, and if the judgment of the living were to begin when the papacy was alive (recovered from its deadly wound in 1929) on Yom Kippur (14 October 1929) then the 83-years 4-month time frame would end 14 February 2013. YESTERDAY?

It is also interesting that the beast in Revelation 17 is allotted an hour for the ten kings to be with the papacy.

My study indicates that pope Pius XI received the healing of the deadly wound in 1929 and according to Jesuit boasting, the papacy was instrumental in getting Truman into the White House (May 2000 issue of The SPECTRUM Newspaper, http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm). Thus I understand that America beginning at Pope Pius XI and Truman was to bond with the papacy beast for one hour (83-years 4-months).

From Yom Kippur 14 October 1929 until Pope Benedict resigned (the papacy was alive) and it has been 83-years 4-months that ended yesterday. And if we count backwards 83-years 4-months from the day the pope's resignation becomes effective (28 February 2013) we come to 28 October 1929. On that day Pius XI who had received the healing of the deadly wound in 1929 elevated Pedro Segura y Sáenz to the college of Cardinals. Thus Segura was a participant in the election of Pius XII.


"Segura was created Cardinal-Priest of Santa Maria in Trastevere by Pope Pius in the consistory of 19 December the same year. As he could not attend the actual ceremony, he later received his red hat personally from Pius [XI] on 28 October 1929...Segura upheld the Church's teaching in the December 1864 Syllabus of Errors by Pope Pius IX , condemning separation of Church and state, especially opposing toleration of Protestants..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Segura_y_S%C3%A1enz

Cardinal Segura condemned the separation of Church and state, especially opposing toleration of Protestants received his red cardinal hat on 28 October 1929 from Pius XI who reportedly was instrumental in putting Truman in the White House. And the ten American Presidents from Truman to Clinton bonded more and more with the papacy until the time arrived for the beast from the earth to arise with its 2 lamblike horns (Bush II and Obama) who take up the work where the papacy left off.

"When the Papacy, robbed of its strength, was forced to desist from persecution, John beheld a new power coming up to echo the dragon's voice, and carry forward the same cruel and blasphemous work. This power, the last that is to wage war against the church and the law of God is… the nation which it symbolized--the United States" (ST, February 8, 1910 par. 5).

Food for thought

2Pe 3:8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(KJV)

Both directions.

The context indicates it means time is not of essence to God as what is short for us is long for Him and what is long for us is short for Him.

I have a Few of those kind of ideas myself...

Here is from my blog about the vision I had on Sept 11 2001.

9/11 The day God held the Four Winds

...Saint Peters Cathedral, the oldest Catholic parish in New York (cornerstone laid in 1786), in the shadow of the World Trade Center, was the only building on the WTC block only slightly damaged by the landing gear of one of the planes which fell through the roof of the cathedral and landed before their altar.

The strongest representatives for the Papacy in America are in the Archdiocese of New York, and the last Archbishop of New York, Cardinal ‘O Connor, orchestrated the ecumenical movement uniting the Lutheran and Evangelical Protestants with the Papacy.

(See. http://www.leaderu.com/ect/ectmenu.html, http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontif...aration_en.html )

This Ecumenical agreement was the beginning of the fulfillment of this writing from the Spirit of Prophecy;

‘When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near.’
{Testimonies for the Church, Volume Five, page 451, paragraph 1, Chapter Title: The Coming Crisis}

I have been thinking more about this.

If this is legitimate, and I am not saying whether it is or isn't, then why isn't the news media, such as CNN, saying anything about this?

Have you heard what happened in Ireland?

They somehow influenced the government of Ireland to cover up the waste they left behind with thousands of children being abused. Verified and proven in court, yet all the names where stricken from record.

What load of dung. How could they have so much influence even after devastating those people to be able to walk away with no damage. How could that be?

We are talking about 30 years ago, not ancient history.

Because the Media is own and control by Babylon. Big news as such, can only be released to the public if Babylon allows it. And this is not favorable news for their agenda. However, if the arrest and court proceedings comes thru, then eventually the media will have to cover it and you can count that they will twist it in their favor -- probably to make Benedict the scapegoat and divert all attention from the RCC.

We will see what will happen and how far this will go. I think it will go because it is the ripe time for this faction of Babylon to be judged as all the others.

Look at this news clip yesterday which specifically mentions about giving Benedict court prosecution protection(immunity) from child abuse. Isn't this a proof of a action against Kevin Annett legal measure against them?



The remaining of this news article and Kevin Annett's comments about it can be found at the "Church(RCC and others) and Government tribunal process of Crimes against humanity" discussion here.

Here in my part of the World when there is abuse situations by Catholic or other denominations it IS in the media and \IS reported! ah to live in a GLASS house WE must be careful, how many times has the SDA Church covered up abuse situations!??? This bashing is a curse and a lie and wrong. Yes study the Revelation and Daniel end times and be watching for His return... BUT seriously, gossip and murmering is also a sin and just plain wrong...

Here is an interesting link that also contains some interesting history of previous popes that, either resigned, or were martyred:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/294454/news/world/pope-benedict-xvi-to-resign-on-feb-28

Based on their own site, this 'international tribunal' (ITCCS) consists of one Canadian:

http://itccs.org/tribunal-members/

I heard that the Jesuit General also resigned, the first since their inception. Does anybody know anything about this?

If so, could these two resignations be related in some sinister manner?

From the following link, CNN has weighed into this:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/18/could-pope-benedict-be-put-on-trial/

Here also is an embeded CNN video report in the above link:

You may need to wait until the ad has run its course.

I have not heard anything about the current Jesuit General, but the previous, Peter Hans Kolvenbach resigned in 2008 at the age of 80. He was possibly the second to resign the office, he being the 29th general. I have not heard anything about the current general, Adolfo Nicolas.

I guess I will need to go back to the person who told me this for more information.

Looks to me that the person was referring to the resignation of the previous Jesuit General rather than the present one in the sense that the resignation of the previous one was the first time this ever happened.

I checked the net before logging on here.

Found the allegations from last year:

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-benedict-xvi-charged-with-crimes-against-humanity

And Politicol News:

http://www.politicolnews.com/pope-evades-criminal-charges-by-hiding-in-vatican/

But most interesting is the Bible study of Revelation 17 that the Lord awoke me to this morning at 2:00 AM.

I do not expect the cardinals to replace Benedict while he is alive. I could be wrong, but if my study holds true as it has for Benedict thus far, rapid changes are ahead.

When Pope Benedict XVI resigned Monday February 11, 2013, were you expecting it or were you taken by surprise? As a faithful Student of Bible Prophecy, I posted on Twitter as the Loudcryer the faithful warning for one year that Pope Benedict would leave office by the Spring of 2013. These are all the TWEETS that I posted about Pope Benedict from Sept 2011 to Sept 2012 when I turned to other issues (note I never once said that he would die):

Follow me on Twitter & confirm the TWEETS!

Henry Hills@loudcryer

Pope Benedict XVI has but a very short time left
(3 September 2011)

#Pope Benedict XVI marks his last year with a Latin America trip
that includes a visit to #Cuba (23 March 2012)

With Benedict XVI in his last year, Who's going to be the new pope? As I read it a demon masquerading as John-Paul II will take the job! (3 April 2012)

Is Pope Benedict going to be pope in 2013? (29 April 2012)

Months ago I tweeted that pope Benedict XVI is a short timer.
Now Vatican power play is news! Y u b last 2 know? (28 May 2012)

If Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, his time ends before May 2013 (7 July 2012)

Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, because his ascension year was John-Paul II’s last year. Will Benedict XVI’s 7th year B his last (8 August 2012)

Pope #Benedict XVI As I read Daniel’s prophecy, 7’s number of completeness. His ascension year (zero) 2005. He might last till spring 2013? (30 September 2012)

Pope Benedict announced this morning (Monday February 11, 2013) that he is resigning as of 28 February 2013.

I'm putting my efforts into updating my book (Put-Out The Light) now, so I won't be online very much for a little while.

IMHO It is PAST time for the Virgins to wake up.

From what I heard on CNN, there seems to be more things unfolding in the scandal realm.

Babylon is fallen is fallen, come out of her my people. AMEN!

And what would Babylon be that people come out of?

Could this be the reason for his resignation?

http://www.theweek.co.uk/religion/51647/pope-quit-after-gay-clergy-network-discovered-vatican

Babylon is fallen, is fallen (Revelation 18)

is a twofold message

In 1798 and 1844, it could be seen that the papacy is Babylon
Now with the papacy embroiled in sex scandals
the Protestant Churches (Babylon of the Mother of HARLOTS) should distance themselves from her.

But they are flocking to her.

Thus the call to come out of Babylon is a call to leave the Apostate Protestant Churches as well as it's mother.

Of course this message is not limited to the RCC and Apostate Protestantism, but it includes them in particular.
All religion apart from God is confusion (Babylon) and should be abandoned.

Have the apostate protestant churches fallen? Any change in them?

My book Put-Out The Light documents where the Protestant Churches fell on 9/20/01.

And with the sex scandals in rapid succession showing so clearly that the Catholic church is full of priests that have forsaken the word of God so much that they cannot discern the difference between holiness and lust, even the world sees that Babylon is fallen is fallen.

But for Protestant America to embrace the fallen RCC and to go to her when God says "Come out of her My people..." and the laws of the land are being amended to join together that which God has forbidden, Apostate Protestant America is fallen is fallen.

and the other shoe drops...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/results-of-vatileaks-probe-for-popes-eyes-only/


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/22/re...led-gay-clergy/


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/22/pope-leaks-fallout/1938321/


http://news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-popes-resignation-linked-to-inquiry-into-gay-clergy


the corruption of this churches leadership seems to go even deeper..

Waiting and watching to see what happens next.

Praise the Lord that we yet have a little time to work in His vineyard.

The question is how much time do we really have to work in His vineyard?

Less today than we had yesterday.

The time has come to not enlarge our families. To NOT join the military. To divest of our property and to give to God's work and care for the poor.

The time will soon be here when people will wish that they had given to the Lord's work sooner. Their money will testify against their soul.

"It is too late now to cling to worldly treasures. Soon unnecessary houses and lands will be of no benefit to anyone, for the curse of God will rest more and more heavily upon the earth. The call comes, "Sell that ye have, and give alms" [Luke 12:33]. This message should be faithfully borne--urged home to the hearts of the people--that God's own property may be returned to Him in offerings to advance His work in the world."--16MR 348 (1901).


"Unless this church shall arouse from their lethargy and shake off the spirit of the world, they will mourn when, too late, they find their opportunities and privileges lost, lost forever. The Lord sometimes tests His people with prosperity in temporal things. But He intends that they shall make a right use of His gifts. Their property, their time, their strength, and their opportunities are all of God. For all these blessings they must account to the Giver. While want and destitution are seen among our brethren, and we withhold relief from them when our own necessities are supplied, we neglect a plain duty revealed in the word of God. He gives to us liberally that we may give to others. It is beneficence that overcomes selfishness and ennobles and purifies the soul. Some abuse the talents given them of God; they close their eyes that they may not see the necessities of His cause and turn away their ears that they may not hear His voice showing them their duty to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. Some who profess to be children of God seem anxious to invest their means in the world lest it shall return to the Giver in gifts and offerings. They forget their divine mission, and if they continue to follow the dictates of their selfish hearts, and expend precious time and means to gratify their pride, God will send reverses, and they will feel pinching want because of their ingratitude. He will entrust His talents to more faithful stewards, who will acknowledge His claims upon them." {4T 619.2}

When I sell my house and property how should I invest the funds?

How about in the Great Controversy Project?

I never thought EGW meant to sell the home you are living in, just the extra properties. What do you think?

When we flee from the cities, will we own a city and country homes? When we flee from the little towns to the mountains what will we own? Should we live in a $300,000 estate or a $79,000 (or less) modest home?

It is time to be putting our houses in order.

& MM what should you be spending money on?

Feed the hungry
clothe the naked
Support orphanages
share 3 angels' literature like Autumn Leaves

What else do you think would be appropriate for God's stewards at this time when the rapid final events are going to begin any day?

Thankfully, We already live in the country

I know several people who quit their jobs, sold everything, gave to missions, and preached the word on the road. They lived in tents, homeless shelters, and with friends. This happened in 1983.

What does someone crying wolf in 1983 have to do with the wolf that is at the door in 2013?

Just because Adam didn't live in the endtime, that does not mean that we don't live in the endtime now.

There were allot of people that used your logic to convince themselves to stay out of Noah's ark.

But MM you can skirt around the evidence all you want, but it won't impress you to change your attitude or mend your ways unless the Holy Spirit impresses your heart that it is true.

Blessings,

His Child, I will sell our house and property when Jesus makes it clear it is time to do so. I assume you have already sold your house and property.

Regarding my house and property.

We bought a country house (with a big mortgage in 2003 +/-) so the girls could be in the country and we could raise our food etc. Took my 401K out in cash and invested it. Over night it that $ was blessed 5 fold. Retired to study Daniel and Revelation. Didn't understand the investment world well and over night lost it $.

No money no job, Wife left and took kids.

thought I must have misunderstood the Lord's instructions to study and work in His vineyard. went back to work.

Wife fell and had to go to Nursing Home for rehab. She lost her place & came home. While working full time, studying late into the night and caring for her and kids, boss said I was sleeping at work. got fired. She left again.

Gave 7 of 10 neighbors copies of my book "Daniel's Apocalyptic Code Revealed." Ran out of books or they were not home and never got back to those 3 families.

Lost the house. The fellow that bought it put me out on the street. I refused to go. No money no place to go & no place to put my stuff. He let me stay there 6-weeks and agreed to sell the place back to me. But still had no money.

So I took it to God in prayer. And He provided a buyer for the house. I sold. Gave the man his money and had money to move and start over. By loosing the house, I ended up better off than if I had just sold it to begin with.

Then my mom broke her hip Christmas Day 2010 and I moved in with her for a while. And wrote the book "Echoes of Doomsday." In it, I followed the prophecies of Daniel and warned of Pending disasters and end time events. Published it April 27, 2011 at 12 noon. At 6 PM that very day a mega tornado took out the house that I had lost and been forced to leave weeping and crying. It had been remodeled but sat empty.

The 7 neighbors I had given books to had minor to moderate damage. the 3 I skipped had their housed totally destroyed. You cannot pick and choose who to give the gospel to. The ones I missed were the ones who might have died in that disaster.

At the right time God moved us from the danger zone. And He blessed us through it all.

On the other hand, my pastor's house was a few doors down on a different street. I had given him my book "The Last Church Meets the Obama-Nation." A week of 2 before the tornado, I asked if he had read the book yet? He replied that he had not but would get to it. His tone was that Christ might come first.

The morning after the tornado, his house looked untouched. But there was not a tree standing in what had been the forest in his front yard. So there was this stately house with destruction on all 4 sides. But when you went around to the back of his house, the back wall was gone and the inside was gutted with all the rafters and floor twisted. So from the front there was this stately house amid the ruins, but when you looked a little closer, the inside was a mess. What a parable.

I currently rent a modest home for a couple hundred a month a few blocks from where the tornado had devastated my neighborhood. At a moment's notice, I can walk away from it.

But if you assume that when you see things unfold as you think they will come about and then you hope to find a buyer when everyone is trying to sell, you may wait too long. A brother at church has been following my study and is trying to sell his place. In the past year, he has had allot of lookers, but has not sold it yet.

And when the US economy collapses and the Mark of the Beast is linked to buying and selling, it will be too late to put anything else in the Lord's work. The sleeping saints will awake too late to their situation as God sees it.

In some places in the U.S. $300,000 would get you a run-down older home much in need of fixing up and $79,000 would not get you a one-room effeciancy.

Time to move.
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I have a friend that is selling his $150K house to build a $4,000 cabin.

He is someone who is putting his money where his mouth is.

Maybe those places are now where we should flee to?

But can someone help me think through this:

If the pope is god on earth,
Did god just retire?
Was god tired or did he otherwise have health issues?
Are there now two gods on earth?
Is the former infallible man now fallible, or are there now two infallible men?

kland, your post reveals a profound misunderstanding of the Catholic doctrines of vicarius filii dei, and of papal infalibility.

The Pope does not claim to be god (or God), and he is not, nor claims to be, infallible.

Do a little internet search and you'll find out why.

JAK,

Papal infallibility is a dogma of the RCC (although it's a qualified infallibility). As to the title vicarius filli dei, the vicar (representative) of the Son of God on earth is the Holy Spirit, so anyone who claims to be the vicar of Christ is trying to assume the Holy Spirit's role, and the Holy Spirit is God. This is not to mention some blasphemous claims which have been made by/about the pope ( http://biblelight.net/Extravagantes.htm ). So what do you mean?

So we see that it is the OFFICE of POPE that is infalibile, not the man himself.

Secondly, vicarius filii dei is not an official designation of the Pope, nor is it (as is erroneously reported) inscribed on his mitre.

So kland is wrong on both counts.

P.S. Rosangela, you surprise me. I thought you knew these things.

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JAK, I was referring to pope, the office. So called "god" was in office. So called "god" retired. Your quote states explicitly, "the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error". He was in the office and left the office, as if "god" could leave the office. What do you not understand?

We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth.--2SM 390 (1905). {LDE 55.2}

I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.--2SM 397 (1908). {LDE 55.3}

At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans to restrict God's work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected. {LDE 55.4}

God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has invested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work.--9T 260, 261 (1909). {LDE 56.1}

God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising, for he who does this despises the voice of God.--AA 164 (1911). {LDE 56.2}

I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding His people and that He will continue to be with them, even to the end.--2SM 406 (1913). [FROM ELLEN WHITE'S FINAL MESSAGE TO THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH IN GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION. THESE REASSURING WORDS WERE READ TO THE SESSION BY THE GENERAL CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, A. G. DANIELLS, ON MAY 27, 1913.] {LDE 56.3}

Christ gives power to the voice of the church. "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." No such thing is countenanced as one man's starting out upon his own individual responsibility and advocating what views he chooses, irrespective of the judgment of the church. God has bestowed the highest power under heaven upon His church. It is the voice of God in His united people in church capacity which is to be respected. 431 {CCh 241.4}

MM, what are you saying with these quotes?

I would interpret this to mean that the GC is the "voice of God."

Not much different from the RCC dogma of Papal Infalibility...

I believe she is saying what Jesus said about it:

Christ gives power to the voice of the church. "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." No such thing is countenanced as one man's starting out upon his own individual responsibility and advocating what views he chooses, irrespective of the judgment of the church. God has bestowed the highest power under heaven upon His church. It is the voice of God in His united people in church capacity which is to be respected. 431 {CCh 241.4}

"Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matthew 18:18). When every specification which Christ has given has been carried out in the true, Christian spirit, then, and then only, Heaven ratifies the decision of the church, because its members have the mind of Christ, and do as He would do were He upon the earth.--Letter 1c, 1890. {3SM 22.1}

I would say it is the man when, in the exercise of his office, he defines a doctrine.


While the existence of the title vicarius filii dei is uncertain, its equivalent, vicar of Christ, is well known.

The title [vicar of Christ] is now used in Catholicism to refer to the bishops[2] and more specifically to the Bishop of Rome (the pope).[3] ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ )

Mountain Man, you did not really answer the question; you just posted more quotes.

To say "I believe she is saying what Jesus said about it:" means nothing. What is your interpretation of what EGW or Jesus is saying.

Be up front about your beliefs and stop hiding behind "he said/she said."

Exactly WHAT the Bible (or EGW) says is less important than HOW WE INTERPRET (OR UNDERSTAND) IT.

So state your understanding.

JAK, I believe decisions rendered during a General Conference Session reflect the will of God when every specification which Christ has given has been carried out in the true, Christian spirit, then, and then only, Heaven ratifies the decision of the church, because its members have the mind of Christ, and do as He would do were He upon the earth.

Unfortunately, this interpretation is not supported by a close reading of the dogma. Secondly, he is only infalible WHEN DEFINING A DOCTRINE. (which you yourself posted above.) My original statement that kland's idea (which led to this whole sub-discussion) that the man is infalible still stands.


What are you talking about? That sentence makes no sense.

"Vicar" is used to refer to Bishops, and the Pope, as you have just stated above. However, "vicar" means "representative of" someone else, usually a higher power such as King, etc. It's where we get "vice" president, viceroy from, etc.

In No CASE does vicar mean the actual person of higher power. Nor is it ever understood that way.

So again, kland's statement that the Pope is god is incorrect. Neither the Pope himself nor anyone associated with him considers him god.

We must divorce ourselves from incorrect ideas of what the other party is saying.

Excellent summary of your view on this.

Well Done. It gives me something solid to consider.

My only real question would be in regard to the word "when" which I have highlighted in bold above.

The question would be "WHO determines when these conditions have been met?" But that is probably a discussion for another thread.

So if he is only a representative of Christ I suppose he could have multiple representatives as past history reveals. However, what about the doctrine of killing the opposing representatives of Christ? Or would you call that doctrine.

"in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church".

Seems to me that instructing the church to kill another would involve morals.

What does that have to do with anything?