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Does God Punish Suicide? #101496
08/11/08 06:42 PM
08/11/08 06:42 PM
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I read something somewhere else that prompted the following question:

Does God punish suicide?

Here is one response I read in an open forum outside of Maritime to this question:
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Suicide is perhaps one of the most cowardly, selfish acts a person can perform. I believe personally that a person has to be mentally ill to do such a thing.

Because of that, I hold the following view.

There are people who get physically sick and die from that illness. God does not judge them for it, nor does He condemn them for it. Why would He do any different because someone is sick in their mind?

Do you agree or disagree with this person's response?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Daryl] #101504
08/11/08 09:40 PM
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I disagree. If the person is mentally ill, the situation is different. But not all who commit suicide are mentally ill. Not to mention that some commit gradual suicide by wrong and sinful habits.
Of course to shorten life by self-murder is a breach of the sixth commandment, and God considers the person guilty of this sin.

"When the man refused to lift his hand against the Lord's anointed, Saul took his own life by falling upon his sword. Thus the first king of Israel perished, with the guilt of self-murder upon his soul." {CC 174.2}

Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Rosangela] #101507
08/11/08 10:28 PM
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Do we also have some Scripture regarding this?


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Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Daryl] #101509
08/12/08 03:09 AM
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Wouldn't God punishing suicide be redundant?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Tom] #101540
08/13/08 04:01 PM
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Seems to me only God knows a person's passing thoughts and feelings, therefore, only He can determine if they are worthy of eternal life. He knows us so well that He can impute repentance and forgiveness based on what we would have done had we not died - like the guy who curses just before a fatal head-on crash.

Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Mountain Man] #101558
08/13/08 08:27 PM
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Interesting comments, but without any support for it given from the Bible.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Mountain Man] #101559
08/13/08 08:27 PM
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 Quote:
He knows us so well that He can impute repentance and forgiveness based on what we would have done had we not died....


Where do you get this idea from? (i.e., that God will impute repentance or forgiveness on the basis of what someone might have done had they lived.)

What we would have done had we not died is immaterial. What matters is what we *will* do after dying. God determines whether the person would be happy in heaven. That's all that needs to be done.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Tom] #101565
08/13/08 10:23 PM
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Actually, what will count, in light of the IJ, is what we *did* before dying. By their fruits we will know them.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Rosangela] #101567
08/13/08 10:33 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
I disagree. If the person is mentally ill, the situation is different. But not all who commit suicide are mentally ill.

But since sin is a species of insanity, all sinners are mentally ill.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Does God Punish Suicide? [Re: Daryl] #101572
08/13/08 11:42 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Do we also have some Scripture regarding this?

There's the obvious one: Thou shalt not kill.

But then, I can't think of many people in the Bible who killed themselves.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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