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Re: Lesson #6 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 1
[Re: Daryl]
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12/07/08 06:31 AM
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T:The only way a person can commit an unpardonable sin is to commit a sin for which he refuses to repent. This involves a gradually hardening of the heart.
M:Don't you think it means people reach a point where they are incapable of repenting? Yes, that's exactly what I think it means. Refusing to repent implies they are capable of repenting but just don't want to. There is hope as long as they are capable of repenting. I agree. A&E would have died in the day they sinned had God not implemented the plan of salvation. Therefore, one sin is enough to qualify as unpardonable. The reasons A&E were pardonable is twofold: 1) Jesus paid the sin debt of death, and 2) A&E were capable of repenting. I think point 1) had to do with 2); that is, they are not unrelated points. Also, do you think it's theoretically possible for the 144,000 to sin and repent after probation closes, after Jesus ceases mediating in the sanctuary? And, do you think the same thing is possible for unfallen FMAs? I'm not sure what you're wanting to get at here. Certainly they continue to have free will. God has free will, and could sin if He wanted to. However, to do so would be contrary to His character, so it's not something He would do. Once the 144,000 become sealed, I see there situation as similar to this, and the same for the unfallen FMA's.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #6 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 1
[Re: Daryl]
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12/07/08 06:40 AM
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To those who saw the glory of God on Sinai, a willful violation of the law was punishable with death – which means that their sin was unforgivable (because a willful violation on those circumstances meant contempt for the authority of God and nothing could be able to move these people to repentance). A person doesn't out of the blue suddenly defiantly rebel against God when that had never before been his disposition. The unpardonable sin results as a gradual hardening of the heart, not as the result of one sin. As the SOP points out, the character is revealed by the trend of the life, not by the occasional good deed or misdeed. I think that God wouldn't command anyone to be stoned to death if there was still any hope for that person, would He? And if there was no hope for that person it was because that person couldn't be led to repentance. So I think this is a case comparable in its results to the unpardonable sin. I agree with MM's comment earlier, which is a point I've made many times previously, that committing the unpardonable sin means reaching the point where one is no longer able to repent. One could reasonable expect such a person to unreasonably defiant towards God, and expect that the episodes you are referring to would be revealing such a characteristic. Another possibility is that capital punishment was instituted for the good of the nation, an emerging nation of ignorant recently freed slaves. Some people sentenced to capital punishment may have repented before dying, who knows. If so, then they didn't commit the unpardonable sin. At any rate, one is not lost because of one sin.
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Re: Lesson #6 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 1
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What do you mean? That the person committed the unpardonable sin before committing the defiant sin? No, I meant what I said: A person doesn't out of the blue suddenly defiantly rebel against God when that had never before been his disposition. The unpardonable sin results as a gradual hardening of the heart, not as the result of one sin. As the SOP points out, the character is revealed by the trend of the life, not by the occasional good deed or misdeed. The defiant sin could have been the straw that broke the camel's back, the final unpardonable sin. However, it's not a sin out of the blue, a one-time sin which is unpardonable. This isn't how the unpardonable sin works. It's not a one time sin, but a gradual hardening of the heart. No, as I see it the person committed the unpardonable sin by committing the defiant sin. Just like in the case of Lucifer and his angels. This doesn't mean the person hadn't been sinning before, but that, by a conscious act of defiance in the presence of God, the person commits a sin of enormous magnitude and has his/her heart sealed against repentance. This is possible, even likely (since some sin has to be the last one, it makes sense that it would be a strong, defiant one, as the Spirit of God would no doubt be making a strong last-ditch effort to save the one in danger of being forever lost) as long we recognize that, just like as with Lucifer, it wasn't a one-time sin, but the last straw in a long time pattern of resistance, of continuous rejection of the Spirit of God. This is how one is lost; by continued resistance against the Spirit.
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