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Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
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12/25/08 03:21 PM
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I came across the following statement in relation to this aspect of the life of Christ:
In SDA theology Christ desired and lusted to sin but did not yield to His temptation to sin....
If anybody told you what I quoted above, how would you have responded to this? Would you have agreed with the above quoted statement, or would you have disagreed with it? Why would you either agree or disagree?
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Daryl]
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12/25/08 07:47 PM
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I came across the following statement in relation to this aspect of the life of Christ:
In SDA theology Christ desired and lusted to sin but did not yield to His temptation to sin....
If anybody told you what I quoted above, how would you have responded to this? Would you have agreed with the above quoted statement, or would you have disagreed with it? Why would you either agree or disagree? thats sick and disgusting!! where is the proof from the bible or egw that specifically says that?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
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12/25/08 07:59 PM
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SDA theology, until 1950, was that Christ took our sinful nature upon His sinless nature. What SDA's wrote was that Christ was tempted to sin, as we are, but that He never responded to that temptation. I'm not aware of any SDA saying that Christ desired or lusted to sin.
From about 1950 on SDA Christology has also included those who believe Christ took a sinless human nature. This position would be even less likely to suggest that Christ desired or lusted to sin than the traditional one.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Tom]
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12/25/08 09:01 PM
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perhaps its from statements such as these that we should really watch out for. http://www.calltorepent.com/?page_id=38
Like us (homoioma), Jesus inherited a sinful, fallen nature. Like us, He had to rely on another, spiritual and holy nature in order to overcome. Like us, He had to crucify the deeds of the flesh in order to live a holy life. Did He live a holy life within that weakened nature that He inherited? Most assuredly He did. He was “that Holy One” (Luke 1: 35), something that no human can ever say, for we have all fallen and come short of the glory of God, something Jesus never did. Jesus was holy from His very birth. From birth he had the two natures— spiritual and carnal. From birth His carnal nature was kept in subjection. Throughout His lifetime He continued to crucify the deeds of the “flesh” so that never once, even by a thought, did He yield to its clamorings. So it may be with us once we too receive the new nature, called the new birth.
Without crucifying the deeds of the flesh and receiving the new birth, none can be saved. See Romans 8: 13; John 3: 3. Jesus showed us that it can be done. By coming down in our nature and overcoming, He opened the door for every child of Adam to also overcome and inherit eternal life. im curious as to just what "deeds" Jesus had to crucify. deeds are not temptations. deeds are acts.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: teresaq]
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12/26/08 01:38 AM
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I think the idea here is quite clear, even if the language is not absolutely precise. One example is the use of the word "deeds," that you pointed out ("He had to crucify the desires of the flesh" would have been more accurate than "deeds of the flesh"). Another example is the use of the word "carnal." "Carnal nature" is easily understood as a nature impacted by actually participating in sin. The way the SOP puts it is that Christ took upon His own sinless nature our own sinful nature. So Christ had these two natures, similar to us, when we are born again, and partake of the divine nature by faith. Rather than saying His "carnal nature" was kept in subjection, I think simply saying that He never gave into the temptations of the flesh is clearer.
Anyway, in spite of the inaccuracies, the overall point that Christ was tempted by the flesh as we are, but never gave into those temptations, was communicated.
The SOP spoke of the importance of being accurate when speaking of Christ's human nature, so your point is well taken.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Daryl]
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12/26/08 02:57 AM
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In SDA theology Christ desired and lusted to sin but did not yield to His temptation to sin.... These words are not addressed to any human being, except to the Son of the Infinite God. Never, in any way, leave the slightest impression upon human minds that a taint of, or inclination to corruption rested upon Christ, or that He in any way yielded to corruption. He was tempted in all points like as man is tempted, yet He is called that holy thing. It is a mystery that is left unexplained to mortals that Christ could be tempted in all points like as we are, and yet be without sin. The incarnation of Christ has ever been, and will ever remain a mystery. That which is revealed, is for us and for our children, but let every human being be warned from the ground of making Christ altogether human, such an one as ourselves: for it cannot be. The exact time when humanity blended with divinity, it is not necessary for us to know. We are to keep our feet on the rock, Christ Jesus, as God revealed in humanity. {13MR 19.1}
I perceive that there is danger in approaching subjects which dwell on the humanity of the Son of the infinite God. He did humble Himself when He saw He was in fashion as a man, that He might understand the force of all temptations wherewith man is beset. {13MR 19.2} i guess we figure we know better.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: teresaq]
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12/26/08 03:35 AM
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teresaq, That was a good and clear EGW quote. 
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Daryl]
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12/26/08 06:12 AM
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Daryl, where did you come across the thing you quoted? teresaq, I didn't understand your comment: i guess we figure we know better.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
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12/26/08 04:15 PM
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Never, in any way, leave the slightest impression upon human minds that a taint of, or inclination to corruption rested upon Christ, or that He in any way yielded to corruption A fine quote, if you let her speak for herself - this sentence looks very much like the much misinterpreted "Baker letter". Does this whole paragraph say Jesus a humanity without the inclination to sin? What do the highlighted words indicate about Jesus' humanity and actions?
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Tom]
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12/26/08 04:50 PM
12/26/08 04:50 PM
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This was stated by a non-SDA person on another site, which, of course, prompted me to create this thread and quote it here. Daryl, where did you come across the thing you quoted? teresaq, I didn't understand your comment: i guess we figure we know better.
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