While respectful of Elle's gospel understanding, in my opinion, this even-tenored explanation is touchingly brilliant, Green.

I think you still missed a part of my point. I am trying to say that we should be positive in our speech that victory is possible. We can overcome. The Canaan land does have giants, be we are well able to go up and possess it. This is the "spies report" that we should be making, rather than to say "it is impossible."

I agree that we must overcome every defect of character. I simply look at it as the individual's personal acceptance of the victory won on the cross. Or should I say, the application of the atonement finished on the cross?

I agree that we must overcome every defect of character. I simply look at it as the individual's personal acceptance of the victory won on the cross. Or should I say, the application of the atonement finished on the cross?

Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary
above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort they must be conquerors in the battle with evil. While the investigative judgment is going forward in heaven, while the sins of penitent believers are being removed from the sanctuary, there is to be a special work of purification, of putting away of sin, among God’s people upon earth.

Or should I say, the application of the atonement finished on the cross? wink

I think probably everyone would agree with this, but it's rather vague, as these phrases can be interpreted in many different ways. Would you please express your thought in other words?

Through long years of wearisome and comfortless striving-- years of rigorous self-denial, of reproach and humiliation-- Wesley had steadfastly adhered to his one purpose of seeking God. Now he had found Him; and he found that the grace which he had toiled to win by prayers and fasts, by almsdeeds and self-abnegation, was a gift, "without money and without price." {GC 256.1}

He continued his strict and self-denying life, not now as the ground, but the result of faith; not the root, but the fruit of holiness. The grace of God in Christ is the foundation of the Christian's hope, and that grace will be manifested in obedience. Wesley's life was devoted to the preaching of the great truths which he had received--justification through faith in the atoning blood of Christ, and the renewing power of the Holy Spirit upon the heart, bringing forth fruit in a life conformed to the example of Christ. {GC 256.3} (emphasis in original)

Perhaps it would be a tad easier to understand your somewhat cryptic idea if I knew your harmatiology.

She believed humanity by God's power would have to overcome every sin before probation's close, apparently, despite their cultivated patterns in sinful flesh.

What do you disagree with here? And why?

Knowing your harmatiology would clarify the reasons for your negative perceptions of the postlapsarian view.

Those are probably more broad than most postlapsarians are used to, but there it is.

Therefore, "unknown sin" is not sin.