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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: Mountain Man] #118391
08/30/09 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Tom, prove your point. For example, when did Jesus command someone to stone a sinner to death?
yes, when did He? and why didnt He?


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: teresaq] #118421
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He did in the OT, but He didn't in the NT. Why? Because it wasn't His purpose. He came the first time as a "suffering sacrifice", but He will come a second and third time as a "conquering King".

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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: Mountain Man] #118425
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
He did in the OT, but He didn't in the NT. Why? Because it wasn't His purpose. He came the first time as a "suffering sacrifice", but He will come a second and third time as a "conquering King".
and the difference is in our own minds, according to our sinful state....

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: teresaq] #118448
08/31/09 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: teresaq
and the difference is in our own minds, according to our sinful state....

What do you mean?

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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: Mountain Man] #118604
09/01/09 08:38 PM
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The reason for the death penalty in the OT:

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The Lord said of the children of Israel, "Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my Sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols, wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live." Because of continual disobedience, the Lord annexed penalties to the transgression of his law, which were not good for the transgressor, or whereby he should not live in his rebellion. {1SP 265.2}

By transgressing the law which God had given in such majesty, and amid glory which was unapproachable, the people showed open contempt of the great Lawgiver, and death was the penalty. {1SP 265.3}

"Moreover also, I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them. But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted. Then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them." {1SP 265.4}

The statutes and judgments given of God were good for the obedient. "They should live in them." But they were not good for the transgressor; for in the civil law given to Moses, punishment was to be inflicted on the transgressor, that others should be restrained by fear. {1SP 266.1}

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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: Rosangela] #118613
09/01/09 11:11 PM
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The statutes and judgments given of God were good for the obedient.
"They should live in them."

But they were not good for the transgressor;
for in the civil law given to Moses,
punishment was to be inflicted on the transgressor,
that others should be restrained by fear. {1SP 266.1}
wow!!
so that is the only way we will follow God and obey Him, not because His laws are good....but out of fear
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He looked with compassion upon men who were becoming corrupted, ruined, murdered, and lost, through choosing a ruler who chained them to his car as captives, and yet these slaves were so bewildered, so beguiled and deceived, that they were actually pleased with their slavery as they moved on in gloomy procession toward eternal ruin,--to death in which is no hope of life, toward night to which comes no morning. ...
yet He came anyway, to suffer nothing but abuse!!
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Such was the prospect upon which the world's Redeemer looked. What a horrible spectacle for the eyes of infinite purity to behold! Wherein can he behold his image? And yet God, the infinite One, "so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son [for such a world!], that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." {RH, October 22, 1895 par. 5}
to turn the other cheek from birth til death.



Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: teresaq] #118623
09/02/09 01:37 AM
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wow!! so that is the only way we will follow God and obey Him, not because His laws are good....but out of fear

How did you come to this conclusion? We should obey Him out of love for Him, but the israelites were so rebellious that, "because of continual disobedience, the Lord annexed penalties to the transgression of his law."
Not always can God deal with people as He would like to. As Ellen White said, sometimes "in order to save the many, He must punish the few" (PP 326).

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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: Rosangela] #118627
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the israelites only? smile just them?


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: teresaq] #118651
09/02/09 01:12 PM
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May the Lord help us personally to not repeat their sins. But yes, we must discuss their situation when we speak of the death penalty in the OT.
Most of us experience three steps in our Christian growth. The first is “I serve God because I fear punishment if I don’t.” The second, “I serve God because it is the right thing to do.” And the third, “I serve God because I love Him.”
They were at step one (if not below it). As you said in another thread, God meets us where we are.

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Re: Was Jesus Weak for Turning the Other Cheek? [Re: Rosangela] #118669
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Teresa, when you're not ignoring posts you are critical of them. Please tone down your comments. Thank you.

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