It's not only the sites with future applications that try to work out future events to the last detail, it's historical sites as well. I agree both kinds of sites are misleading. The Lord has sealed the seven thunders and, as a matter of principle, it's not good for us to know all the details.

Regarding how our characters are transformed by all scripture:

So, studying the future prophecies should be like studying the atonement: For the atonement we can't penetrate every mystery by speculating on what God hasn't revealed of the great mysteries - such as the fine questions of the personality and nature of God and Christ - but we can and and should study and meditate on the things that are clearly recorded about the life of Christ in detail. The same principle applies to the study of prophecy and especially to those greatest furture acts of God and of Christ. Christian meditation zooms in on the details. Eastern meditation supposedly empties the mind sweeping it clean and inviting seven spirits more foul than thoses that were there before.

first the question had more to do with believing there are future applications to prophecy somehow changing our characters....

but how would you see the messenger of the Lords counsel, which includes the biblical counsel as well, matching up with yours?

Well, how does it work Teresa? According to the above, we do very much need to drink the blood and eat the flesh of the Son of God first before we're able to bring out the treasures of Daniel and Revelation and be instrumental in setting in motion 'forces that can't be repressed.' I agree that's the starting point. It also says, "If any man's will is to do His will, he will know of the doctrine . . "

What the readers need to ask themselves now is: "Has Mark made any observations or brought out any truths that are timely on this thread?"

Sure Mark, you have indeed. Most importantly perhaps is agitating the truth of: future prophecy yet unfulfilled.

Daniel & Revelation are not for everyone. Those who are not right with God will walk in the sparks of their own kindling. For this reason there is much confusion and very many different interpretations. We need to search ourselves before we search the prophecies. - Are all my sins confessed? Are all my wrongs made right?
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I'm more inclined to think that if they are past, they are past, or if they are future, they are future (as opposed to thinking that there are multiple fulfillments).

I think so. Just because I don't see eye to eye on everything you've shared doesn't mean I don't appreciate some of the insights you've brought out.

I'm quite happy to accept multiple fulfillments. That is just like God to have something so well planned as to see it happen twice (or more).

Many prophecies in the Bible have at least two fulfillments. That we do not always see them does not make them any less existent.

Some prophecies, in fact, have nearly perpetual fulfillment until the end of time. "Ye shall be hated of all men for my sake" would be a good example of this. It applied to nearly every generation of Christians to follow. That's plenty more than one fulfillment. Much of the prophecy concerning the fall of Jerusalem applies also to the last days.

Rosangela, if the prophecies are only applied once, do you feel that there will be no further events such as the stars falling, the moon turning to blood, and the sun being darkened? Those events were fulfilled already, were they not?

I'm inclined to think they may have another literal fulfillment. And I am a firmly convinced believer in that they will have a symbolic fulfillment.

What do stars represent? God's saints. Will some of them fall? Sadly, yes.

What does the moon represent? The spirit of prophecy. Will it be crucified in the court of public opinion? I believe so.

What does the sun represent? The light of Christ (the "greater light"). Will it be darkened? In this day and age, with atheism becoming so rampant, and people mocking the "Bible-thumping" Christians so openly whilst rejecting the truths of God's Word, I think it is an undeniable fact that the light is being withdrawn from the earth. Does not Ellen White say this would happen?

Therefore, I see a double fulfillment here in each of these prophecies.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Hi Mark

I'm hoping to see more on this important topic. I know that most will agree to dual and multiple prophecy fufillment, however, I have a problem with this and leads us to deception and confusion. I lean to a single timeline prophecy fulfillment.

Is there anywhere in the Bible that support dual-fulfillment of prophesy? I would like to see that.

Elle,

The destruction of Jerusalem is a clear example of dual fulfillment. Ellen White tells us this would be repeated. This is why praying that our flight be not on the Sabbath day has been discussed in this forum.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.