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Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: Daryl] #95733
02/16/08 05:46 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
I always thought IHS stood for In His Service.

It seems like I am learning something new here. \:\)


That was my first thought too.

But seems like I have read a more esoteric meaning in the past.

Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: crater] #95758
02/18/08 01:18 PM
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I have a feeling that is was on the Roman armies standards as one of their reference to the gods, and as they picked up the gods of other people such as the Greeks, it may have been from there. But I cant find the connection, that is what I meant by it will take deeper study, digging through historical content to see where origin is at...

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Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: Daryl] #119067
09/12/09 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl F
I always thought IHS stood for In His Service.

It seems like I am learning something new here. smile


My feeling from everything I've read is they use 'In His Service' or any words that match up to it to cover its pagan origins, thus the confusion.

Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: Rick H] #119124
09/13/09 01:05 PM
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This is the official Catholic explanation:

Quote:
IHS

A monogram of the name of Jesus Christ. From the third century the names of our Saviour are sometimes shortened, particularly in Christian inscriptions (IH and XP, for Jesus and Christus). In the next century the "sigla" (chi-rho) occurs not only as an abbreviation but also as a symbol. From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos. These Greek monograms continued to be used in Latin during the Middle Ages. Eventually the right meaning was lost, and erroneous interpretation of IHS led to the faulty orthography "Jhesus". In Latin the learned abbreviation IHC rarely occurs after the Carlovingian era. The monogram became more popular after the twelfth century when St. Bernard insisted much on devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus, and the fourteenth, when the founder of the Jesuati, Blessed John Colombini (d. 1367), usually wore it on his breast. Towards the close of the Middle Ages IHS became a symbol, quite like the chi-rho in the Constantinian period. Sometimes above the H appears a cross and underneath three nails, while the whole figure is surrounded by rays. IHS became the accepted iconographical characteristic of St. Vincent Ferrer (d. 1419) and of St. Bernardine of Siena (d. 1444). The latter holy missionary, at the end of his sermons, was wont to exhibit this monogram devoutly to his audience, for which some blamed him; he was even called before Martin V. St. Ignatius of Loyola adopted the monogram in his seal as general of the Society of Jesus (1541), and thus it became the emblem of his institute. IHS was sometimes wrongly understood as "Jesus Hominum (or Hierosolymae) Salvator", i.e. Jesus, the Saviour of men (or of Jerusalem=Hierosolyma).


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm

They indeed have two monograms - IHS and XP. If the letters don't stand for what the Catholics say they do, at least they found a good explanation to disguise their true meaning. smile

Also some interesting information here: "Obama had 'IHS' covered at Georgetown: Jesus Monogram or Christian Battle Slogan?"

Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: Rosangela] #119128
09/13/09 03:35 PM
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So would it most likely represent the Jesuit order nowdays?


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Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: vastergotland] #119132
09/13/09 05:42 PM
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They are part of the Jesuit emblem, but this monogram is frequently used by the Roman Catholic Church in general, not just by the Jesuits.

Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: Rosangela] #119249
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Yes, and if RC at all, and Jesuit in particular, its roots are unlikely to be friendly.

The ancient heathen religious names have something, as the evidence for that underpins virtually all the Jesuit symbols.

Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: Colin] #119406
09/18/09 11:06 AM
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IHS has always stood for "Isis, Horus and Set", as I understand. And the XP symbol is a lewd one representing male and female sexual imagery. These are just two of the many pre-Christian symbols that were adopted by the early Catholic church.

"It is also a monogram representative of Dionysos used in the Mysteries. As a Latin abbreviation, having mystic significance, it means acrostically, In hoc signo victor eris (in this sign thou shalt be victorious)." From the Theosophy dictionary.

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Re: What does "IHS" stand for [Re: zyph] #119469
09/19/09 12:57 AM
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In the article "Obama had 'IHS' covered at Georgetown: Jesus Monogram or Christian Battle Slogan?" (the link to which was posted previously), Gerald T. Floyd confirms the interpretation "in hoc signus vinces":

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As a person who graduated from a Catholic grammar school, a Catholic high school and a Jesuit college, with a masters from a Jesuit school of theology and a doctorate from Berkeley’s Graduate Theological Union (which included the Jesuit, Franciscan and Dominican theology schools, along with Episcopal, Lutheran, Baptist and Unitarian), I do not recall hearing at any point in the last sixty years that IHS was any kind of monogram of the name of Jesus.

What I do recall hearing, repeatedly, was that IHS was in fact an acronym for “in hoc signo vinces” (Latin for “in this sign you shall conquer”) which Constantine, the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity, had emblazoned on the cross that led him into battle. Constantine became Caesar in 306 and defeated other tetrarchs to become sole emperor in 324.


When someone cites the interpretation which sees IHS as a monogram of Christ's name, he replies:

Quote:
I appreciate the comment, and what you were taught in Catholic schools in Florida.

My posting did acknowledge that IHS has been interpreted along the lines you suggest.

But the TRUTH is that construing IHS as a monogram for Jesus or a title of Jesus is not the only position taken in the church historically--and for the reasons I articulated, certainly not the earliest one or the dominant one.


It's interesting that this position is not even mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia.


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