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Re: SWINE FLU [Re: kland] #119446
09/18/09 06:52 PM
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1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

At least 20 million people died in the 1918 influenza epidemic and Eleanora McBean, Ph.D., N.D. tells us something pretty interesting about it. Drug-oriented medical doctors and hospitals, she tells us, "were losing 33% of their flu cases," while "non-medical hospitals such Battle Creek, Kellogg and MacFadden's Health Restorium were getting almost 100% healings."

Most people reading this already know that drugs are almost never the answer to what ails the body. But do you know how they were achieving an almost 100% recovery rate at Battle Creek, a facility run by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg?

A 1918 article titled Spanish Influenza Treatment, edited by Dr. Kellogg, shares the recommended influenza protocols:

First the patients were doing water enemas twice a day to clean their bowels. They'd use 2 or 3 pints of warm water and cleanse their colon thoroughly, until all the filth was removed. The enemas started at the beginning of the disease and continued until complete recovery.

Second, the patients were drinking 3 or 4 quarts of water or fruit juice each day to promote elimination through the kidneys and skin. A glass was taken each half hour, when awake. Fiber, such as bran, was mixed into foods including oatmeal and rice to promote bowel movements and the elimination of the problem.

Short hot baths and hot blanket packs were used to ease fevers and help with pain in the back and legs. A hot blanket pack entailed wrapping a person in a "hot as they could stand," wrung-out wet blanket fotr 12 to 15 minutes. A wool blanket covered the outside of the wet blanket, and heads and faces were kept cool. If the pulse was rapid, an ice pack was held over the heart. For very high fevers, the hot blanket packs were used only for 4 or 5 minutes.

Cold compresses were used for headaches. For high fevers, a cold compress was used immediately after a short hot blanket pack to bring down the fever.

It wasn't said, because in 1918 it wasn't such a widespread problem, but obviously sugar, processed foods and junk foods should be avoided in the case of any flu or influenza. That's just common sense whenever your body is showing signs of problems. Patients were also kept in bed for several days after the fever was gone.

It was stated that these measures, applied intelligently, would bring the number of deaths from influenza, and the pneumonia that often followed, to a "negligible quantity." --NaturalNews.com - Sept. 9, 2009.

Suzanne


Re: SWINE FLU [Re: kland] #119449
09/18/09 07:08 PM
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Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: SWINE FLU [Re: vastergotland] #119452
09/18/09 07:30 PM
09/18/09 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: västergötland
Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.

Vaster,

I agree that what you say here is perfectly true. However, do you suppose a doctor is ever going to be free of this type of bias? Many needless treatments may be given in the doctors' own interest. And since when is Big Pharma absolved of bias in advertising or in mandating its drugs be used? Did you realize that in America, it can be considered malpractice for a medical doctor to prescribe vitamins and minerals in place of the more "conventional" drugs? This is because the state medical boards are indoctrinated by Big Pharma. The insurance companies and Big Pharma have deep pockets with which to lobby the lawmakers in their favor. They work cooperatively. The medical insurance will not cover vitamins. It will cover only the "conventional" drugs such as are offered by the pharmaceutical companies.

This is why doctors like Mercola, and Jonathan Wright cannot accept medical insurance. Unfortunately, the US government has made it illegal for a "preferred provider" (a medical doctor cooperating with the insurance system) to treat a medicare patient for cash, or even for free! (And they only pay a small portion of the actual fees to the doctor, say 60%.) If the doctor prescribes things which the insurance won't pay for, the doctor doesn't get paid either. But if the doctor prescribes the "main-stream" fare, then the insurance company will compensate the doctor for those things. This may tempt doctors to "fix up" their medical charts in order to receive compensation.

Nice system, eh? The insurance companies and Big Pharma have a nice monopoly--and they like to play doctor without a license.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: SWINE FLU [Re: Green Cochoa] #119454
09/18/09 07:51 PM
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Interesting indeed. Didnt know that.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: SWINE FLU [Re: Suzanne] #119455
09/18/09 07:58 PM
09/18/09 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Suzanne
1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

At least 20 million people died in the 1918 influenza epidemic and Eleanora McBean, Ph.D., N.D. tells us something pretty interesting about it. Drug-oriented medical doctors and hospitals, she tells us, "were losing 33% of their flu cases," while "non-medical hospitals such Battle Creek, Kellogg and MacFadden's Health Restorium were getting almost 100% healings."

Most people reading this already know that drugs are almost never the answer to what ails the body. But do you know how they were achieving an almost 100% recovery rate at Battle Creek, a facility run by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg?

A 1918 article titled Spanish Influenza Treatment, edited by Dr. Kellogg, shares the recommended influenza protocols:

First the patients were doing water enemas twice a day to clean their bowels. They'd use 2 or 3 pints of warm water and cleanse their colon thoroughly, until all the filth was removed. The enemas started at the beginning of the disease and continued until complete recovery.

Second, the patients were drinking 3 or 4 quarts of water or fruit juice each day to promote elimination through the kidneys and skin. A glass was taken each half hour, when awake. Fiber, such as bran, was mixed into foods including oatmeal and rice to promote bowel movements and the elimination of the problem.

Short hot baths and hot blanket packs were used to ease fevers and help with pain in the back and legs. A hot blanket pack entailed wrapping a person in a "hot as they could stand," wrung-out wet blanket fotr 12 to 15 minutes. A wool blanket covered the outside of the wet blanket, and heads and faces were kept cool. If the pulse was rapid, an ice pack was held over the heart. For very high fevers, the hot blanket packs were used only for 4 or 5 minutes.

Cold compresses were used for headaches. For high fevers, a cold compress was used immediately after a short hot blanket pack to bring down the fever.

It wasn't said, because in 1918 it wasn't such a widespread problem, but obviously sugar, processed foods and junk foods should be avoided in the case of any flu or influenza. That's just common sense whenever your body is showing signs of problems. Patients were also kept in bed for several days after the fever was gone.

It was stated that these measures, applied intelligently, would bring the number of deaths from influenza, and the pneumonia that often followed, to a "negligible quantity." --NaturalNews.com - Sept. 9, 2009.

Suzanne

Sounds like a very labourintensive care form.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: SWINE FLU [Re: vastergotland] #119463
09/18/09 11:07 PM
09/18/09 11:07 PM
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Labour intensive, yes, but designed to help the body do its health preserving job. Assisting the immune system, not suppressing it.

Re: SWINE FLU [Re: vastergotland] #119464
09/18/09 11:20 PM
09/18/09 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: västergötland
Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.


Self-interest, yes, but potentially livelihood too. I know of Drs Mercola and Blaylock from health news sources sympathetic to and in tune with the SDA health reform lifestyle.

I've seen first hand how big Pharm and lawmakers in the EU conspired about 5 or so years ago with the Food Supplements Directive to categorise all natural food supplements as drugs: this required such supplements to be tested for safety, just as actual drugs need to be. This regime would have decimated this industry, which cannot afford such testing - not having the subsidis or sales volume of Big Pharma.

The Alliance for Natural Health (ANH), based in London, and coordinating all EU wide natural food supplement producers, managed to get the quarter million pounds together for taking the government to court over the wrongfulness of this regime and indeed how this Directive was wrongly drawn up, using unsuitable powers from the wrong treaty. I witnessed both the application for a full trial, a judicial review, and the actual judicial review, in Luxembourg, in the grand hall of the ECJ.

As an end user and former distributer of Neways International's natural food supplements and non-toxic personal hygiene products - yes, I still use them! - I was glad to see the Directive cut down to size, the natural food supplements being allowed to be produced and only brought in for examination should any dangers come to light from their usage, rather than the drug approach.

In the EU we may not have as tight a medical regime as the US doctors, but we get hit from the other side instead.

Re: SWINE FLU [Re: Colin] #119475
09/19/09 04:44 AM
09/19/09 04:44 AM
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I suppose we are straying a little from the swine flu topic, but it is my belief that with the proper use of supplements and natural therapies (hot/cold treatments, etc.), swine flu would be a non-issue.

As for those supplements, however, in line with the "health under attack" thread, the FDA, as lobbied by Big Pharma and the insurance companies, has tried to prevent their use. (See story further on.)

Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, M.D. says this:
Originally Posted By: Dr. Jonathan Wright, MD
We got one hour, by the way, for lectures on vitamins and minerals in medical school. A whole blinking hour.


In the same webpage, Dr. Wright addresses the proper treatment of viruses.
Originally Posted By: Dr. Jonathan Wright, MD
As you know, even though we have the First Amendment in the Constitution, the FDA has negated the First Amendment when it comes to free speech in health care ever since about the ‘40s and ‘50s. That’s why if you pick up your bottle of vitamins in your local natural food store, let’s say you pick up a bottle of Vitamin E or something, all it says is “supports cardiovascular health.” Because if they were to put on there that Vitamin E has been found in this scientific study over here to cut the rate of heart attacks by this percent, even though the research is true, they could be hauled up by the FDA on the grounds of making an unapproved claim. The FDA doesn’t care whether it’s true or not, they just care whether they’ve approved it.

And so, fish oil, for example. Everybody knows, and all the major medical journals have published it in the last two years, that taking enough fish oil every day cuts your risk of sudden cardiac death by 50 percent or more, and yet if anybody put that on a label of a fish oil bottle, they would be out of business tomorrow, I guarantee it.

here’s another little inside truth, not secret, but truth. It gets printed every once in a while and I’ve seen it online. In the mid 1990s, at someone’s cardiology convention, the Annual Convention of the American College of Cardiologists or something, one of the speakers asked that particular audience, “How many of you recommend Vitamin E to your patients?” And approximately 25 to 30 percent of the doctors there raised their hands—remember this is conventional, that’s pretty good. And, “How many of you take Vitamin E yourself?” Better than half of the room raised their hands!

We’ve cleared up any number of cases of people with terrific flu whose families knew better than to take them to the hospital, they bring them over to the clinic. We run in the high-dose Vitamin C, and they have remarkable turnaround. But that’s not the only thing. There are dozens and dozens of articles in the so-called medical literature from the 1930s and mostly 1940s about outright cures of the dread viral diseases of the day with something called ultraviolet blood irradiation, and many of those articles were published by doctors working in hospitals at the time.

And now you cannot find one hospital in the whole United States that has an ultraviolet blood irradiation machine, and you cannot find one hospital in the whole United States that gives high-dose intravenous Vitamin C. And there’s a third thing I’m going to be talking about, and that is the use of ozone intravenously, which was introduced in Germany in the 1920s and in German practice and in American practice, is known to reduce the odds, and none of these things eliminate the odds, but reduce the odds, dramatically, of dying from any of the serious viral diseases.



Well, what’s done is to take the blood out into a bottle, ozonate the blood in the bottle and flow the blood back into the person. But anyway, all of these things dramatically reduce the risk (although they do not work 100 percent) of death from SARS, from any of the dread viral diseases.

And yet can you get that treatment in any American hospital today? Rhetorical question. No, you can’t. You’ve got to go see a so-called alternative medicine doctor, who uses those techniques.

“Hey folks! First thing you want to do about viral diseases is prevent them—eat right, get the sugar out of your diet. Don’t eat stuff you’re allergic to. Use the Vitamin A, use the Vitamin C, take your Echinacea and boost your immune system.” Do all that, and you won’t catch it in the first place, or at least you’ll greatly reduce your odds of catching it in the first place. But if you do happen to catch it, there is treatment, even if it gets serious.

There is just the best controlled, double-blind, placebo-controlled research out there that the element strontium, when combined with calcium and Vitamin D, can dramatically help to reverse osteoporosis. The latest study reported a gain of 15 percent over three years in bone in the spine and 9 percent in the hip, and there is no patent medicine on the market that comes close. And the strontium’s in all the health food stores. Have we heard this in the major media anywhere?

Here’s a research article from Finland, or from Scandinavia anyway, it might have been Finland. A whole bunch of kids, starting at age one, were started on 2000 units (and we’re told by the FDA that’s going to kill them if they’re one year old) of Vitamin D, and that was maintained for a few years, and there’s a control group that didn’t get any Vitamin D. And when they finally looked at all the statistics, And that is fantastically significant! And here we’ve got the American Diabetes Association going around collecting money to cure diabetes. Excuse me—somebody just showed us how to prevent it!

I'm not aware of him being an Adventist, but this sounds much like the Adventist health message in some ways, preferring natural remedies to prescription drugs.

The following links tell the story of what the FDA did to him because of his use of supplements in his practice.

http://www.healthfreedom.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=176&Itemid
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920507&slug=1490431 http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19921003&slug=1516410

Most medical doctors in the US have been to greater or lesser degrees intimidated by the government and Big Pharma into not using the natural remedies. Dr. Wright was not one of them.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: SWINE FLU [Re: Green Cochoa] #119490
09/19/09 04:22 PM
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Ozone would be a poison in the lungs, and it probably is a poison to the virus, but what else does it destroy in its way through the blood vessels?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: SWINE FLU [Re: Suzanne] #119492
09/19/09 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: Suzanne
1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked


Thanks Suzanne,

Good info from Eleanora McBean. The Kellogg treatments make sense - proper elimination is vital to a strong immune system. Those already on a healthy regime will not require such measures to clear filth, etc. and may not be susceptible to flus and other plagues. But relatively few persons avoid the dainties of this world & so they are immune-compromised.

More interesting was another McBean article recounting "Typhoid Mary" who was claimed to be a "carrier" because she showed no symptoms of disease. T-Mary was locked away for 30 years as a threat to public health.

"Typhoid Mary" was never a Carrier:

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/typhoidmary.html

Some may find an end-time illustration in Mary's example.
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