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Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #123123
01/27/10 07:18 PM
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MM, regarding the passages you cited, I didn't see that any of them addressed my question to you. If you see that some quote does, you quote requote just that one quote, and explain how you see it addresses my question, although that's a bit of overkill, as I'm simply asking you which law you think it is that demands, or requires, repentance.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #123126
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Tom, I am reposting this:

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Please refer to the law named in the many passages I posted above. That is the law I'm referring to. Did you happen to notice the role of repentance as it relates to the law? Did you see where the law requires repentance? Or, do you think the passages above say repentance is not required?

PS - If the law requires love, is it difficult to believe it also requires repentance?

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #123128
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PS - Do you believe the 10Cs require love, obedience, conformity to the will of God? And, do you believe it points sinners to Jesus as their only hope of salvation? Finally, do you believe it requires sinners to repent and submit to the will of God?

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #123129
01/28/10 01:50 AM
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Mike, I don't understand you're reticence to answer. Are you saying the 10 commandments require repentance?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #123130
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Regarding love, the following comes to mind:

Quote:
The earth was dark through misapprehension of God. That the gloomy shadows might be lightened, that the world might be brought back to God, Satan's deceptive power was to be broken. This could not be done by force. The exercise of force is contrary to the principles of God's government; He desires only the service of love; and love cannot be commanded; it cannot be won by force or authority. Only by love is love awakened. To know God is to love Him; His character must be manifested in contrast to the character of Satan. This work only one Being in all the universe could do. Only He who knew the height and depth of the love of God could make it known. Upon the world's dark night the Sun of Righteousness must rise, "with healing in His wings." Mal. 4:2. (DA 22)


Notice that "love cannot be commanded."


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #123134
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Tom, I've posted close to a dozen passages that describe the requirements of the law of God. It is obvious to me they are speaking of the 10Cs. So, yes, I'm saying the 10Cs require many things of us - love, obedience, godliness, the fruits of the Spirit, repentance, etc. Regarding commanding love, Jesus said, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." Ellen White elaborated:

"The law of God requires that man shall love God supremely, and his neighbor as himself. When through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, this is perfectly done, we shall be complete in Christ. {AG 145.6}

"The divine law requires us to love God supremely and our neighbor as ourselves. Without the exercise of this love, the highest profession of faith is mere hypocrisy. {NL 32.1}

"Obedience to the law is essential, not only to our salvation, but to our own happiness and the happiness of all with whom we are connected. {NL 32.2}

"The obedience that Christ rendered God requires from human beings today. He served His Father with love, in willingness and freedom. {COL 282.3}

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #123135
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PS - Tom, please answer the questions I posted previously (see above on this page). Thank you.

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #123149
01/29/10 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: MM
PS - Do you believe the 10Cs require love, obedience, conformity to the will of God? And, do you believe it points sinners to Jesus as their only hope of salvation? Finally, do you believe it requires sinners to repent and submit to the will of God?


Not as an arbitrary requirement, no. I see this being the case in descriptive terms. That is, the law of God does not specify that one needs to do a certain thing, like repent, or else one will suffer an arbitrary penalty, but rather, it specifies that certain types of behavior are self-destructive.

Remember that the law of God is a transcript of God's character, who is love. Therefore love is the fulfilling of the law, and the law can be seen as specifications as to what it means to love.

A way of looking at this is that nothing more or less is required with or without the law. The difference is that the law makes specific certain things, so that people will better understand God's character and more readily see their need for Christ.

I don't understand why you didn't simply answer my question the first time I asked it. It's difficult to recall a train of thought like this.

If you look at the Ten Commandments, there's nothing in there which specifies anything about repentance. Repentance is necessary just on the basis of common sense. If you are heading in one direction, and it's the wrong direction, given that your intended destination is in the other direction, you need to stop going the wrong way. This is what repentance involves; a change of direction, a change of thought, a change of heart and of mind. There's no need for a separate "requirement" for these things. Again, common sense dictates that one must repent if one hates God and the principles of His government. If not, how could one hope to be happy in God's presence and among those who abide by His principles?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #123153
01/30/10 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: Tom
Repentance is necessary just on the basis of common sense. . . Again, common sense dictates that one must repent if one hates God and the principles of His government.

Does common sense dictate that it is necessary for people like Moses, who love God and the principles of His government, to repent when they sin? And, why do you think the law of God (10Cs) excludes such common sense?

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #123155
01/30/10 04:56 AM
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To the first question, yes. To the second, you're assuming a false premise.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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