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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: asygo] #126397
07/19/10 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
It might be a little too deep for most SS classes, but the quarterly did not touch the fact that all have sinned - past tense.

Paul didn't say all will sin, or all will probably sin, or all have the tendency to sin, or any soft words like that. He said all have sinned - a done deal.

However, the "falling short" of God's glory is in the present tense.

But there are those among us who teach that the "sin part" of the verse should be future tense, and the "fall short part" should be past tense. That's not what Paul wrote.

I made this point in SS class and it created quite a stir. Everyone in class was of the opinion the Gospel offers us freedom from sinning but they quickly added we will continue to sin until Jesus returns and changes us. I held my peace thereafter so as not to derail the class.

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Mountain Man] #126413
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Originally Posted By: MM
I made this point in SS class and it created quite a stir. Everyone in class was of the opinion the Gospel offers us freedom from sinning but they quickly added we will continue to sin until Jesus returns and changes us. I held my peace thereafter so as not to derail the class.


I'm impressed. That must not have been easy.


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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Mountain Man] #126415
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Mike,

The question is, Will we continue to momentarily take our eyes from Jesus until He returns, or will there be a time when this will no longer happen?

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Rosangela] #126422
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Tom, you know me too well. You're right, though, it was hard to let it go. The rest of the class progressed nicely focusing on grace and forgiveness.

Rosangela, I like what Ellen wrote about "continual obedience". Here it is:

All true obedience comes from the heart. It was heart work with Christ. And if we consent, He will so identify Himself with our thoughts and aims, so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to His will, that when obeying Him we shall be but carrying out our own impulses. The will, refined and sanctified, will find its highest delight in doing His service. When we know God as it is our privilege to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with God, sin will become hateful to us. {DA 668.3}

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Mountain Man] #126431
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Mike,

If there will be a time when we will no longer take our eyes from Jesus - and I believe there will be - then we will no longer sin, because we sin when we take our eyes from Jesus.

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Rosangela] #126435
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And I believe that time is available to everyone now (always has been).

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Mountain Man] #126442
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Yes, I also believe that, but I'm yet to see someone who has actually achieved that in modern times.

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Rosangela] #126450
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They said the same thing about Jesus. That is, they beheld His glory and concluded He was demon-possessed. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. As we look around examining "fruit" we must be careful not to overlook "righteousness and true godliness".

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Mountain Man] #126458
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Rosangela, are you aware of anyone except Jesus Himself who has achieved this in any age?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: vastergotland] #126476
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Vaster,

Not of course like Jesus, who was free from sin during His whole life, but for an extended period of time: it seems to me that Enoch may have achieved this for 300 years, Moses may have achieved this for 40 years (before a single sin marred his record), Elijah (also a single sin), Daniel, Joseph, Paul, John...

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