Back to the original topic at hand, seems to me that the Shut Door view involving the Sanctuary apartments and its doors, (distinct from the Midnight Cry view) was directly given to EGW by God Himself (EW 42-45 - March 24, 1849), as a sort of a head start for the Bible studies and research that would concretely and transparently establish it. (The same occurred with the understanding of the Heavenly Sanctuary with Hiram Edson on Oct. 23, 1844 and the Sabbath=Seal of God implication in the Third Angel’s Message in 1846 (LS 95, 96))

Sister White's writings are "insider books" and I don't mean that in a Gnostic sense.



This is what our Prophet said, it reflects perfectly the Pioneer position as well.



The reality of the situation is that the Pioneers brought forward doctrines ( some false and some true ) and it was WHEN those teachings were being vetted out that THE POWER of God came upon Sister White and "SHE" was given the ability to DEFINE truth from error from those teachings. Without Sister White we would have been no different then the Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians or the World Wide Church of God (7th day). They didn't have an "Infallible" rock which was ONE with the Rock upon which was built the Church.

What’s with the "cephalopodic" hoodwinking switch???? You’re not fooling me. I was asking you to substantiate your “Sister White and Christ were ONE” claim with SOP quotes.

God use of the prophetic gift to help resolve Bible Study “impasses” among early Adventist was for expedient reasons. Show me where that occurs again in e.g., the formal SDA Church era (i.e., 1863) which had many interpretational differences and disagreement. The only thing I can recall was around the 1888 Jones-Waggoner and Righteousness by Faith debate.

Hang on NJK, I'll do it for you ( or should I say Sister White will do it ). I'll just point you in the right direction. I'm busy with a job related issue but I will get to it - I just have to go through my file box and pull them.

Ok, I'm fairly certain you are already familiar with them however I'm happy to point them out again.



Personality = that God has a "body" with arms, legs, etc and is "ONE PERSON" - Christ being made in the image of the Father also had a "body" ( prior to being born of mary ). Sister White has just said Christ was ONE with his disciples in the same way that he was ONE with "God".

Now, the question then becomes was Sister White ONE with Christ to a greater degree then the disciples were ONE with Christ. The answer of course is a resounding YES.



You claim "thought inspiration" ONLY for Sister White when both she and the Pioneers knew it was BOTH.



Jesus said His words were "eternal" and according to Sister White ( better said according to "God" )God's messages sent through her was also eternal.





Let's compare what happens to those who reject the Apostolic Authority with those who reject the Testimonies Sister White gave.







The power we are talking about here is the same keeping power as when God traced out the Ten Commandments and a rejection of the prophetic power of Sister White is no different then Korah rebelling against God. Many think it was Moses Korah rebelled against not understanding Moses was God's sock puppet EXACTLY as Sister White was God's sock puppet.

Sister White is also clear that there was NEVER a time previous to "HER" that God more earnestly warned His people.



Compare that with the Bible.






Go back to the first quote - the one where it said Christ was ONE with his disciples in the same way that God and Christ were "ONE" ( Remembering "personality" = real body )and realize that Sister White was ONE with Christ in a greater sense than the apostles. That's exactly what she said.

Brother Loughborough walked and talked with Sister White and wrote a great deal about her. Here are a few of them I've taken out of the Review and Hearld, November 5, 1914.







The article goes on to demonstrate how Ellen was exactly like the ancient prophets and exactly like the Apostles of Christ.

cephalopod, I honestly appreciate your detailed and documented attempt to substantiate your view of EGW, (which does not necessarily mean I agree with your conclusion or the methodology used to arrive at it. To me it is both too subjective, selective and loosely linked - thus eisogetical), however that is all both a discussion that is really off topic to the pertinent issue at hand and thus also an issue that I cannot afford to invest time in. (Perhaps someone else will follow up on this here, or in another thread.) You can believe what you would like about EGW. Either way, the distinct and independent question of this topic still need to be addressed and towards this pertinent end, I repost below my priorly resuming post:

“It seems to me that the Shut Door view involving the Sanctuary apartments and its doors, (distinct from the Midnight Cry view) was directly given to EGW by God Himself (EW 42-45 - March 24, 1849), as a sort of a head start for the Bible studies and research that would concretely and transparently establish it. (The same occurred with the understanding of the Heavenly Sanctuary with Hiram Edson on Oct. 23, 1844 and the Sabbath=Seal of God implication in the Third Angel’s Message in 1846 (LS 95, 96)).

NJK, only it wasn't my idea that led to it, it was the Pioneers and given Sister White never corrected them on it and her texts can be read to support those same Pioneers the simple way to understand this appears to be the right way.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6434097767490329654#

Just reading about the many disagreement EGW had with those pioneers and Church leaders, even to the point where she often felt slighted, ignored, rejected and alone ([I cannot presently relocate a statement where she lamentably makes this pointedly clear), I do not see that the Pioneers (nor EGW for that matter) felt that her writings were the final and authoritative word. Case in point the ignored counsels and warnings before the fires at the Review and Herald Publishing House and Battle Creek Sanitarium. So I would not based my view of EGW’s Inspiration on what others may even have claimed about her because that is clearly and naturally open to private opinions.

(I’ll be watching the video. Thanks).

Any comment for my question/comment on the pointed topic at hand here?

Those were more business disagreements then anything else except for Kellogg's Trinity problem. I'll dig up the Pioneer teaching on your question and compare it with Sister White.

Seems to me that, as you state, they believe EGW was verbally inspired, authoritative, inerrant and infallible, that they would heed all of her “Testimonies”, even in regards to business decision because; “God would have directly spoken to them,” and that for Denominational Institutions and in regards for the work of the Church. Also there were several sharp Bible interpretation, understandings and view differences between EGW and the Pioneers, various Authors, Preachers and Church Leaders. So this all shows to me that they did not have the view you have claimed.