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Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: kland] #130886
02/14/11 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
"World Testimony"? I'm not familiar with that term...


That is a term straightly derived from Christ’s Gospel mandate statement in Matt 24:14 (NASB).

Originally Posted By: kland
But, if you are speaking about the gospel going to the world and being "completed", the Sunday laws is a decision point for individuals. But maybe you are correct regarding those who are putting off until that time, that probation for those individual would have closed.


As I Theologically/Prophetically, and also (spiritually) logically from the Bible and SOP, Sunday Laws will not begin to be seriously sought until the 3 Angel’s Message, which fully incorporates the Gospel is first thoroughly proclaimed throughout the world, and that includes a “fuller” understanding of the Sabbath as it extends into the socio-economic life (see Isa 58). The decisions that will take place after Sunday Laws are past occur under the events of the Loud Cry. Some I see a Full Gospel|3AM proclamation-Opposing “Sunday Laws”-Loud Cry Work outline of events.

I placed Sunday Law in quotes because under a fuller understanding of God’s Sabbath, it is seen that anything that seeks or comes to oppose the Global implementation of these eternal socio-economic principles by correspondence is part of the Mark of the Beast. That thus currently factually and spiritually is Capitalism. You’ll have to read through my blog for more on this. (You can start with this post).

Originally Posted By: kland
But I would agree, that for them to get the Sunday laws passed, there would appear to need some overwhelming disaster to allow that to be passed. Many countries are heading towards a financial disaster. They (or the world at large) are prime candidates for a financial "savior" which could require "conditions"....


As stated throughout this blog post, as I find absolutely no Biblical or SOP support for natural disasters or an economic crisis leading to the start of Final Events or the passing of Sunday Laws. Any disaster that occurs in the endtime will be a direct judgement of God and nothing man made or natural. Hence will be the religious outcry to silence those who are claiming that these, indeed, seemingly natural events are the very, disapproving judgement of God Himself.

Notwithstanding this understanding here, as I now have a Bible-based eschatological understanding of Bible Prophecies, (see why/how from this post), I see that these judgements of God will be manifested in a more subtle and spiritualized way but will nonetheless lead to “False “Sabbath” Enforcing Measures” where it will then be require by force/law that all countries, pointedly the newly forming/formed NJK must adopt Capitalistic principles if they are to be allowed to “buy or sell” on world markets. They way Socialist countries are marginalized today shows how readily this can and surely will be done. Even most SDA resolutely or defeatedly share in this unbiblical, Capitalism revering/supporting mentality (See e.g, this MSDAOL post for more on this issue).


“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: NJK Project] #130889
02/14/11 11:25 PM
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I placed Sunday Law in quotes because under a fuller understanding of God’s Sabbath, it is seen that anything that seeks or comes to oppose the Global implementation of these eternal socio-economic principles by correspondence is part of the Mark of the Beast.


Does "by correspondence" mean "by force"? If so, this is very similar to how I see things. Also, it's not just the Sabbath that's involved, but the whole of God's law (which it looks like may be in harmony with what you're saying as well). That is, Satan is not just at war with the Sabbath, but with God's law as a whole.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Tom] #130893
02/15/11 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: Tom
Does "by correspondence" mean "by force"?


That is indeed my implied meaning, i.e., ‘something that thus comes to inevitably fits the Mark of the Beast criteria.’

Originally Posted By: Tom
If so, this is very similar to how I see things.


Glad to hear that you evidently understand the “fuller” meaning of God Sabbath a more that just ‘observing the correct day, in the correct way’ but also foundational socio-economic principle which seeks to meet the needs of those in need (Isa 58) indeed as Jesus emphasized as the Final Test. (Matt 25:31-46).

Originally Posted By: Tom
Also, it's not just the Sabbath that's involved, but the whole of God's law (which it looks like may be in harmony with what you're saying as well). That is, Satan is not just at war with the Sabbath, but with God's law as a whole.


Indeed this is what I also believe and on this blog post I show how the current adherence to Capitalism, the craftily implemented (by Protestant Christians, no less (i.e., 2nd Beast)) direct opponent of God’s “Fuller” Sabbatical Truth, each of the 10 Commandments are violated in both letter and spirit.

Unfortunately, by simply refusing to seek to do all that we indeed can to help those in vital need, out of a willful or subservient (i.e., respectively, ‘forehead or hand’), the SDA Church is not seeing the Spiritual ight of truth in this “Fuller Sabbath” teaching, but instead are only seeing the literal 7th Day vs. Sunday part of the Third Angel Message. Thus:

Part A - 1st Beast - Saturday Sabbath vs. Sunday Sacredness
Part B - 2nd Beast - Socio-Economic Sabbatical Principles vs. Capitalism


“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: NJK Project] #130960
02/16/11 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: NJK Project
M: Other pertinent signs include:

1. Universal enforcement of Sunday Laws
2. SDA martyrdom
3. Satan's personation of the Second Coming

NJK: Seems to me that these are among the “signs”/events that will come to pass only when final events have begun to be unravelled and this, according to my understanding will not begin to occur until the work of the World Testimony of the Gospel is first completed. So I rather see these as confirming fulfillement during the “end” rather than ‘announcing/warning “signs” of the end.’ The “end” would have already begun a (relatively speaking) long time before e.g., the passing of a Sunday Law. So that is why those who are looking first for a Sunday Legislation in order to mobilize themselves will have waited too late and would have proven to be “unfaithful” in regards to the in-faith evangelistic work that God expects of SDA believers.

The following insight makes it clear Sunday Laws will enable SDAs to proclaim the 3AMs more effectively:

Quote:
Heretofore those who presented the truths of the third angel's message have often been regarded as mere alarmists. Their predictions that religious intolerance would gain control in the United States, that church and state would unite to persecute those who keep the commandments of God, have been pronounced groundless and absurd. It has been confidently declared that this land could never become other than what it has been--the defender of religious freedom. But as the question of enforcing Sunday observance is widely agitated, the event so long doubted and disbelieved is seen to be approaching, and the third message will produce an effect which it could not have had before. {GC 605.3}

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #130961
02/16/11 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: NJK
I find absolutely no Biblical or SOP support for natural disasters or an economic crisis leading to the start of Final Events or the passing of Sunday Laws.

The following passages make it clear natural disasters will cause people to clamor for Sunday Laws:

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Yet this very class put forth the claim that the fast-spreading corruption is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called "Christian sabbath," and that the enforcement of Sunday observance would greatly improve the morals of society. {GC 587.1}

In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power. {GC 589.3}

It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced; and that those who present the claims of the fourth commandment, thus destroying reverence for Sunday, are troublers of the people, preventing their restoration to divine favor and temporal prosperity. {GC 590.1}

Communications from the spirits will declare that God has sent them to convince the rejecters of Sunday of their error, affirming that the laws of the land should be obeyed as the law of God. {GC 590.2}

Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption, and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth. {GC 592.1}

Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. {GC 592.3}

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #130968
02/16/11 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The following insight makes it clear Sunday Laws will enable SDAs to proclaim the 3AMs more effectively:

Originally Posted By: SOP
Heretofore those who presented the truths of the third angel's message have often been regarded as mere alarmists. Their predictions that religious intolerance would gain control in the United States, that church and state would unite to persecute those who keep the commandments of God, have been pronounced groundless and absurd. It has been confidently declared that this land could never become other than what it has been--the defender of religious freedom. But as the question of enforcing Sunday observance is widely agitated, the event so long doubted and disbelieved is seen to be approaching, and the third message will produce an effect which it could not have had before. {GC 605.3}


I think you have read too much into that statement. My point, and the issue here is that the Three Angels must be first proclaimed prior to the Sunday Law agitations. Also the Everlasting Gospel is indeed fully included in these 3AM’s. What you are emphasizing here is merely the effect from that priorly proclaimed Message which will actually occur under the Loud Cry, which involves particularly the 3rd Message.

My question is, for anyone who may readily know, does the Shaking occur before or after the passing of Sunday Laws? I understand that it occurs before. (It is quite interesting that the “Shaking” is not, as far as I see, at least explicitly, mentioned/related in the GC [1911] book.)

Similarly, does anyone know of an SOP statement which says that National Sunday Laws will first be formally passed before the Little Time of Trouble.

All this to say that while most SDA’s believe that they will first see the fulfillment of Sunday Law prophecies before any Shaking or Sifting takes place in the Church may be greatly surprised, as this, as well as the causally accompanying Little Time of Trouble, may occur before such formal Sunday Law Legislation, indeed even before the great agitation to pass them. So waiting for Sunday Laws to confirm their faith, may be a false refuge and such unanchored believer will probably be Shaken out of God True Church long before that time. While it is said that “many who have strayed from the fold will come back to follow the great Shepherd. (6T 401 (1900). {LDE 152.2}) this is said in the context of the “Little Time of Trouble” which, as already said, may transpire before any concrete/formal Sunday Law Movement or even “agitations”.

Case in point, in what is described in the above EGW quote GC 605.3 speaks of the Loud Cry, the beginning of the Sunday Law agitations is said to occur just prior to what is the Loud Cry, and since the Shaking occurs before the Loud Cry, (EW 271) then I see it that the Shaking will occur before the beginning of these agitations, as well as the outpouring of the Latter Rain. Indeed the issue for the Shaking is the Straight Testimony of the Laodicean True Witness and not Sunday Law-derived oppositions.

So Sunday Law procrastinating/watching will prove to be the doom of many in the SDA Church, just like the First Century Jews wanted to see the physically glorious Messianic coming and thus ignored the lowly and spiritual Gospel reforms and mandates of Jesus Christ.


“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #130969
02/16/11 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The following passages make it clear natural disasters will cause people to clamor for Sunday Laws: ....


Admittedly, I actually mindlessly (and quasi-ragefully) misspokedly, overstated my conclusion here. I should have solely continued to make this denunciatory statement strictly against the popular unsupported belief that an economic crisis will cause Final Events and Sunday Laws, especially/most notably David Gates’ outrightly heretical teaching that such a national crisis will be the SOP’s “National Ruin” and does not actually need to follow (i.e., post close of probation) “National Apostasy.” (See in this post).

So I stand corrected in regards to my wrongly, also included, national disasters, although I still do not see these calamitous events as the prophesied “National Ruin” which I understand will be God’s direct judgements on those who have taken the Mark of the Beast (see Rev 16:1, 2ff).

Having said all of this, I still have an eschatological, spiritually re-interpreting view on all of these SOP prophecies all in the light of the Sabbath “Fuller” extension to include its socio-economic inreach and outreach, principles and benefits. Thus e.g., I see this future Sunday Law as being spiritually fulfilled in the passing of Laws to formally prevent anyone/any country not espousing Capitalistic principles and methods to be excluded and marginalized from global economic activity, etc.


“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #131040
02/18/11 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Other pertinent signs include:

1. Universal enforcement of Sunday Laws
2. SDA martyrdom
3. Satan's personation of the Second Coming


Can you please expand on point number 2, SDA martyrdom. Specifically:
1. Which SDAs, and where, since this is already happening in some parts of the world.
2. Why single out SDAs at all? Why not look at Christian martyrdom generally?
3. Please show that Seventh-day Adventist martyrdom is specifically prophecied in Scripture.

PS: I do not accept the "Remnant Church" idea, or that the SDA church is the "Remnant Church", since Scripture does not speak of a remnant church, but rather a remnant people. So ixnay that arguement.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: NJK Project] #131041
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By the way, in case this may be helpful, in understanding and presenting this spiritual, thus eschatological application of EGW’s prophecies in the, correspondingly, currently applicable eschatological light brought forth in the Bible, I am actually not undermining or destroying her writings or statement, but rather, like Christ’s Olivet discourse seeing them to also contain this divine facet of also having a three-tiers capability of Local|Historical|Eschatological. Thus for EGW’s case, that would be:

Local = Her day until 1908 (see why here)
Historical = 1908 to (as I Biblically understand it) 1996 [also(?) of “Great Week of Time” = 6000 years??]
Eschatological = 1996ff

It is in this sense that I also fully understand and uphold EGW’s directly inspired saying that her ‘writings will continue to speak until the end of time’ i.e., in one of these Biblical applicable forms.

Originally Posted By: SOP
Abundant light has been given to our people in these last days. Whether or not my life is spared, my writings will constantly speak, and their work will go forward as long as time shall last. My writings are kept on file in the office, and even though I should not live, these words that have been given to me by the Lord will still have life and will speak to the people.--Letter 371, 1907. (1SM 55.) {3SM 76.4}



“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: JAK] #131044
02/18/11 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: JAK
PS: I do not accept the "Remnant Church" idea, or that the SDA church is the "Remnant Church", since Scripture does not speak of a remnant church, but rather a remnant people. So ixnay that arguement.


If you follow the prophetic Remnant concept in Rev 12. It, symbolically depicted, starts of in Rev 12:1 describing the “Church” (equal “woman”) (cf. Matt 16:18) that Jesus Christ established based upon the OT passing covenant teachings now exercised in “Righteousness” through the Twelve Apostles. Following the GC period of direct Satanic opposition (Rev 12:2-16) i.e., from Christ victorious death on the cross (vss. 2-4; cf. 7-13a) through the Apostles’ day (vs. 5) and then through Christian Church History (vss. 6) including Reformatory periods (vss. 13b-16), the “remnant” that is spoken of is the preservedly restored spiritually direct descendant of that priorly established “Church”. So that “Remnant” which keeps the Commandments of God and hold/have the testimony of Jesus (=SOP Rev 19:10) is by these direct associations a “Remnant Church of Christ Apostolic Church’. So God’s “Remnant Church” is indeed to be a congruous and homogenous, formal organization as it was in the days of the Apostles, as established by Christ and which others are called to concretely join (John 10:16). Hope this helps!


“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
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