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Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast #134417
06/12/11 12:24 AM
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A discussion we had after church today prompted me to create this thread about what Ellen White wrote about the amalgamation of man and beast, which I will share in my next post.


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Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Daryl] #134419
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Here is one relevant EGW quote:
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But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. God purposed to destroy by a flood that powerful, long-lived race that had corrupted their ways before him. He would not suffer them to live out the days of their natural life, which would be hundreds of years. It was only a few generations back when Adam had access to that tree which was to prolong life. After his disobedience he was not suffered to eat of the tree of life and perpetuate a life of sin. In order for man to possess an endless life he must continue to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. Deprived of that tree, his life would gradually wear out. {1SP 69.1}

More than one hundred years before the flood the Lord sent an angel to faithful Noah to make known to him that he would no longer have mercy upon the corrupt race. But he would not have them ignorant of his design. He would instruct Noah, and make him a faithful preacher to warn the world of its coming destruction, that the inhabitants of the earth might be left without excuse. Noah was to preach to the people, and also to prepare an ark as God should direct him for the saving of himself and family. He was not only to preach, but his example in building the ark was to convince all that he believed what he preached. {1SP 69.2}

As this took place before the flood and what was one of the main reasons for the flood, all but Noah and his family and selected animals were destroyed in that flood, therefore, the results of such an amalgamation of man and beast would also have been destroyed with it.


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Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Daryl] #134421
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Here is another relevant and more enlightening EGW quote:
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Every species of animals which God had created was preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood, there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men. {1SP 78.2}

This obviously took place after the flood resulting in an almost endless species of animals and affecting certain races of men.

What this means is something I do not know yet.

Does anybody have any thoughts regarding this?


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Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Daryl] #134449
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It's been a couple years since we had a discussion on this topic, but here is a link to the start of where we discussed these quotes earlier.

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Green Cochoa.


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Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Green Cochoa] #134450
06/13/11 11:33 AM
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Thank you for the link to that other thread. thumbsup


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Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Daryl] #134453
06/13/11 01:58 PM
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Yeah, some people misread her statements and conclude men and monkeys were amalgamated resulting in Negros. But obviously her statements mean animals were amalgamated with animals and humans were amalgamated with humans resulting in variations within genera and species.

Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Mountain Man] #134471
06/14/11 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Yeah, some people misread her statements and conclude men and monkeys were amalgamated resulting in Negros. But obviously her statements mean animals were amalgamated with animals and humans were amalgamated with humans resulting in variations within genera and species.


Mike,

Unfortunately, your assumptions about the "obvious" answer are not so obvious to me. First of all, if amalgamation is what produced the heretofore-unknown species and/or genera, then it follows that beforehand such species were unknown. That is a given. So, let's follow the full logic, now, as I see it.

Mike's Hypothesis:
Given: Mankind was originally composed of a single species.
Given: Amalgamation involves acts of breeding and/or marrying.
Given: Amalgamation caused the racial-speciation of mankind.
Given: The amalgamation of mankind did not involve animals.
Given: Amalgamation was a sin.

Therefore, it follows that it was a sin for mankind to marry/breed within his own species.

Conclusion: Mike's hypothesis fails on the Biblical point of "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth"! wink

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Green Cochoa] #134491
06/14/11 12:19 PM
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Quote:
First of all, if amalgamation is what produced the heretofore-unknown species and/or genera, then it follows that beforehand such species were unknown.
True.
Species are being produced almost daily. Some by paper only, but there are changes being produced. Ask any scientist, whether creationist or evolutionist.

However, your assumption that amalgamation of man means species, is faulty on a number of reasons.
All man is one species.
All amalgamations does not mean speciation.

Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: kland] #134630
06/20/11 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Quote:
First of all, if amalgamation is what produced the heretofore-unknown species and/or genera, then it follows that beforehand such species were unknown.
True.
Species are being produced almost daily. Some by paper only, but there are changes being produced. Ask any scientist, whether creationist or evolutionist.

However, your assumption that amalgamation of man means species, is faulty on a number of reasons.
All man is one species.
All amalgamations does not mean speciation.


kland,

Interesting concept. Of course, I never tried to say that "man" comprised more than a single species. We agree on this point. But the "interesting" part, is that if single-species man + same-species man = amalgamation, then would it have been "amalgamation" to breed a lion with a lioness? a goat with a goat? a horse with a horse?

Why would that have been so great a sin?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Green Cochoa] #134644
06/21/11 09:44 PM
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I heard it said by some that this amalgamation resulted in the different races of men, as in different skin colours.

Any thoughts on this aspect of amalgamation?


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