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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Harold Fair] #135535
08/03/11 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
His Child,

Obviously, as that period of time is still future, it is a prophetic time. If, as such, it is "no more" after 1844, then it would appear that we have to either reinterpret the timing of it, to put in into the past, or else we have to say there was a contradiction between Mrs. White and the Bible...unless we recognize that Mrs. White is not saying what many think she is. smile


If you would be so kind as to review the context of that comment, you will find that "Mrs. White is not saying what many think she is. smile "

My three initial posts on prophetic time state very clearly that Mrs. White has been taken out of context regarding prophetic time.

She uses the phrase "prophetic time" almost exclusively to refer to the day and hour of Christ's Advent. She does not use the term prophetic time to mean time elements of prophecy that foretell history that is foretold to transpire in the interval after 1844 up to the time of Christ's Advent.

Originally Posted By: Harold Fair

I think you are trying too hard to find fault.


That is criticism. Is it of God?
Originally Posted By: Harold Fair

The 1000 years is not dated in the Bible or SOP.


Green's point is that it is a specific amount of time that is to transpire after 1844.

Originally Posted By: Harold Fair

That is what she means by prophetic time. All the prophecies about time have been fulfilled.


That is clearly not what she meant by prophetic time as pointed out in her comments in my first 3 posts on this topic. She clearly states that the world views ALL prophetic time but then she defines our position on "prophetic time" as the time of Christ's Advent, which is not a position that considers ALL prophetic time as meaning the same thing.
Originally Posted By: Harold Fair

Those have nothing to do with the millennium.
Harold.


As I read this comment that you share, it appears to have missed the context of Green's comment.

It is a short thread. If you take the time to review it and find that I did not understand you correctly, please tell me and Lord willing, we can come to an understanding.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135539
08/03/11 11:27 PM
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>>>Green's point is that it is a specific amount of time that is to transpire after 1844.>>>

So is eternity. Times in prophecy are specific times. All of them have transpired. The millennium doesn't have any specific times as all the prophetic times have. I don't think it should be included in timed propecies. That is all I mean.


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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Harold Fair] #135540
08/04/11 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
>>>Green's point is that it is a specific amount of time that is to transpire after 1844.>>>

So is eternity. Times in prophecy are specific times. All of them have transpired. The millennium doesn't have any specific times as all the prophetic times have. I don't think it should be included in timed propecies. That is all I mean.


SDA's often teach that Christ will come when the gospel goes to all the world and overlook the statements that say that it is for an appointed time.

lest we split hairs over jargon, I'll move on.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135541
08/04/11 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: His child

SDA's often teach that Christ will come when the gospel goes to all the world and overlook the statements that say that it is for an appointed time.

lest we split hairs over jargon, I'll move on.


GOd's appointed time, yes. Moving on is a good idea.


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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Harold Fair] #135543
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Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
The 1000 years is not dated in the Bible or SOP. That is what she means by prophetic time. All the prophecies about time have been fulfilled. Those have nothing to do with the millennium.
Harold.
Sounds like you are saying there is no more definite time prophecy. smile
What about Daniel 12? One had objected to those time prophecies because they have no begin nor end dates - no definite time. Would you agree this is still prophetic time, but not definite time just like the 1000 years, which are yet to be fulfilled?

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: kland] #135547
08/04/11 07:31 PM
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What about Daniel 12?


What about Daniel 12? Are you so sure that they have not been fulfilled? The 1260 day prophecy hasn no starting date, either. But we know it is finished. What about the others starting about the same time as that one, or a little before? THey would all end at the same time. Some think that they have. I do. It makes sense. What happened 30 years before the start of the 1260? Or 135 years?


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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: kland] #135551
08/05/11 03:26 AM
08/05/11 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
The 1000 years is not dated in the Bible or SOP. That is what she means by prophetic time. All the prophecies about time have been fulfilled. Those have nothing to do with the millennium.
Harold.


I would ask: What about Daniel 12? One had objected to those time prophecies because they have no begin nor end dates - no definite time. Would you agree this is still prophetic time, but not definite time just like the 1000 years, which are yet to be fulfilled?


Sounds like Harold is saying there is no more definite time prophecy after 1844. dunno

From my study I conclude quite the opposite - to come to a conclusion that differs from my statements is to read something into the Spirit of Prophecy or to miss something that I wrote. I pray that I have not failed to make myself clear. dunno Perhaps it is just the fact that old ideas are not easily changed regardless of the facts that come to light with Bible study as time goes on?

Since Ellen white states that the world views ALL PROPHETIC TIME AS THE SAME and she states that OUR POSITION is that we will never again have a message giving the day and hour of Christ's Advent, I have been able to follow most of the prophetic time that intervenes between 1844 and Christ's Advent.

2300 literal days ending in Ezra's time
2300-years ending in 1843
and 2300-years ending again in 1844
and it will soon be 2300-days since the 1260, 1290, 1335-days have been fulfilled.

The 70 weeks of years are easy for most SDA's to follow

But when they repeated as literal time 70 weeks 7 times in the endtime, most SDA's are clueless

The 1260-years (42-months) from 538 - 1798 Sda's are on tract

But ask them to explain the 42-months that were repeated in the endtime in the life of John-Paul II.

Most SDA's are clueless about prophetic time that HAS BROUGHT us to the start of the time of trouble. It is not because the word of God is silent.

Why because they have misunderstood Mrs. White about prophetic time.

Thus only 5 of the 10 Virgins will awake in time.

No TIME is not to be an issue again, but understanding that IT IS THE TIME FOR THE 3rd angel's message to go forth with power because the mark of the beast is about to confront us.

The lackadaisical indifference that God's people manifest is unworthy of their high calling. Should their attitude not change in time, then they will bring upon themselves the consequences that God desires so much for them to avoid.

Read the forward of Echoes of Doomsday
get the link from loudcry.2007@gmail.com

Last edited by His child; 08/05/11 03:28 AM.

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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Harold Fair] #135552
08/05/11 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
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What about Daniel 12?


What about Daniel 12? Are you so sure that they have not been fulfilled? The 1260 day prophecy hasn no starting date, either. But we know it is finished. What about the others starting about the same time as that one, or a little before? THey would all end at the same time. Some think that they have. I do. It makes sense. What happened 30 years before the start of the 1260? Or 135 years?



It is great to know about the 1260-years, the 1290-years, and the 1335-years!
But the special blessing in the endtime is for those that know the 1260-days, 1290-days, & 1335-days.

They confirm that the word of God is TRUE. Present Truth is ALIVE and well!


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135556
08/05/11 07:04 PM
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quote:Why because they have misunderstood Mrs. White about prophetic time.

By this, I understand that you are not a Seventh-day Adventist. What makes you think that we have misunderstood Mrs. White? Is it because you are adding some more time prophecies to the Bible?
The 2300 years ended in 1844. How can you add to that? And, where in your Bible does it say that only half of the sleeping virgins woke up? Mine says that they all did. Only half of them had no oil, (Spirit), for their lamps.


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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Harold Fair] #135563
08/06/11 11:36 AM
08/06/11 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
quote:Why because they have misunderstood Mrs. White about prophetic time.

By this, I understand that you are not a Seventh-day Adventist.


you assume too much.

I am a 4th generation SDA. My great grandmother received the SDA message in Maine when it was first preached. But my belief in God and the three angel's messages is not based on something that someone else believed. I have studied to show my self approved of God a workman that needs not to be ashamed.

Originally Posted By: Harold Fair

What makes you think that we have misunderstood Mrs. White?


The answer to this question should be self-evident in the first three posts on this thread.

Originally Posted By: Harold Fair

Is it because you are adding some more time prophecies to the Bible?


I have often wept over my brothers and sister that take away that which the Lord has been blessed to give us in His word. It is wrong to add to or to take away from the Word of God.

Originally Posted By: Harold Fair

The 2300 years ended in 1844. How can you add to that?


Was I supposed to have added to that?

Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
And, where in your Bible does it say that only half of the sleeping virgins woke up?


My Bible does not say that only half the virgins awake. Are you asking about something I said or something that you think I said?

Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
Mine says that they all did. Only half of them had no oil, (Spirit), for their lamps.


Mine says that too. Unfortunately, the ones that wake up to the fact that they are out of oil come to that realization TOO LATE to do them any good - they missed the wedding.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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