HOME CHAT ROOM #1 CHAT ROOM #2 Forum Topics Within The Last 7 Days REGISTER ENTER FORUMS BIBLE SCHOOL CONTACT US

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine Christian Family Fellowship Forums
(formerly Maritime SDA OnLine)
Consisting mainly of both members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Welcomes and invites other members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to join us!

Click Here To Read Legal Notice & Disclaimer
Suggested a One Time Yearly $20 or Higher Donation Accepted Here to Help Cover the Yearly Expenses of Operating & Upgrading. We need at least $20 X 10 yearly donations.
Donations accepted: Here
ShoutChat Box
Newest Members
ekoorb1030, jibb555, MBloomfield, Dina, Nelson
1323 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics9,189
Posts195,525
Members1,323
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
Seventh-day Adventist Church In Canada Links
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Canada

Newfoundland & Labrador Mission

Maritime Conference

Quebec Conference

Ontario Conference

Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference

Alberta Conference

British Columbia Conference

7 Top Posters(30 Days)
kland 15
Rick H 15
Daryl 4
March
S M T W T F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Member Spotlight
ProdigalOne
ProdigalOne
Alberta, Canada
Posts: 1,168
Joined: June 2015
Show All Member Profiles 
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Live Space Station Tracking
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
Last 7 Pictures From Photo Gallery Forums
He hath set an harvest for thee
Rivers Of Living Water
He Leads Us To Green Pastures
Remember What God Has Done
Remember The Sabbath
"...whiter than snow..."
A Beautiful Spring Day
Who's Online
3 registered members (Karen Y, 2 invisible), 2,970 guests, and 5 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 5 of 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10
Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14756
07/09/05 03:24 AM
07/09/05 03:24 AM
Tom  Offline OP
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
quote:
I'm pretty sure that Adam and Eve were more grieved over the loss of living with God than the tree.
I don't know; how sad was the tree? [Razz]

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14757
07/09/05 03:56 AM
07/09/05 03:56 AM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
Yes, of course, John. However, according to this observation death is the result of sinners killing each other - and not because sin is inherently toxic. It isn't sin that kills them, but rather sinners killing each other.

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14758
07/08/05 05:06 PM
07/08/05 05:06 PM
Davros  Offline
Dedicated Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,009
Ohio
But isn't it a sin to kill each other? Therefore, isn't it a sin that kills?

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14759
07/08/05 05:28 PM
07/08/05 05:28 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
Nope. Sin isn't a person. Sin is what we think, say or do. The reason why we sin is because we have a sinful nature. Unless we are born again all we can do is sin. Sin isn't what kills us. If we don't kill each other first, then we die because we do not have access to the tree of life. It's as simple as that.

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14760
07/08/05 05:30 PM
07/08/05 05:30 PM
Davros  Offline
Dedicated Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,009
Ohio
Ah yes, but if we did not have sin, we would not kill.

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14761
07/08/05 06:13 PM
07/08/05 06:13 PM
Tom  Offline OP
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
quote:
The reason why we sin is because we have a sinful nature.
This certainly isn't true, if by "the reason" you mean "the only reason" or even "the principal reason." It's a contributing factor, of course, but Christ took the very same nature we have, yet never sinned.

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14762
07/08/05 08:08 PM
07/08/05 08:08 PM
J
John Boskovic  Offline
Dedicated Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,196
Ontario
He that kills others is only a step away from killing himself. Remember Saul?

Greed brings fear; fear brings death.

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14763
07/09/05 12:26 AM
07/09/05 12:26 AM
Ikan  Offline
Very Dedicated Member
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 1,664
Plowing
Again we have come full circle: Sin is only what you do, not what you are, according to. MM With this theory, the leper is blamed for his scabs, his wounds dressed, but no real attempt is made to face the disease and shed the virus that causes the suffering.

Sin may not be a chemical element, or sensible object, but neither is love or honesty or faith. Yet all are powers that are beyond human calculation and are quite real.

Anyone truly interested in this issue can research the EGW CD on these matters. Here are some quotes of God's Messenger:

"Sin is a disorganizer."
"Sin is a hateful thing."
"...sin is a tremendous evil."
"Sin is a mysterious, unexplainable thing."
"Sin is a heinous and offensive thing."
"Sin is a disgrace."
"Sin is the greatest of all evils."
" 'Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.' They were in the worst kind of bondage,--ruled by the spirit of evil."

Now if one waters down the statements above, and panders that sin is only the bad things we do, we might as well become Behaviouralists. It would save a whole lot of responsibilty and guilt.

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14764
07/09/05 02:23 AM
07/09/05 02:23 AM
J
John Boskovic  Offline
Dedicated Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,196
Ontario
You are right Phil.

But MM's point was that eternal life came from the "tree of life"; rather than that it came from every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

So I just thought he might see that the tree cannot assure eternal life to anyone, And that God did not create death by withdrawing the tree, but only made evident the need for the spirit (word of life) in order that life be lived eternally.

Mat 4:4 ...It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

So is the difference of trying to live by the "tree of life", rather than the "word of life".

Re: Great questions by MountainMan #14765
07/09/05 03:25 AM
07/09/05 03:25 AM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
The age old argument - Sin is a state of doing; no, sin is a state of being! And then there are those who say - It's both.

Yes, we have a sinful nature and it generates and communicates all manner of unholy thoughts and feelings. Initially, though, they are nothing more than temptations. It's not until we desire or do them that we become guilty of them.

Sin is not who and what we are. No way. Sin is the transgression of God's law in thought, word or deed. To say otherwise implies we are guilty of sinning because we have a sinful nature, which would also imply Jesus was guilty of sinning. We are sinners because we sin, not because we have a sinful nature.

AH 127, 128
The lower passions have their seat in the body and work through it. The words "flesh" or "fleshly" or "carnal lusts" embrace the lower, corrupt nature; the flesh of itself cannot act contrary to the will of God. We are commanded to crucify the flesh, with the affections and lusts. How shall we do it? Shall we inflict pain on the body? No; but put to death the temptation to sin. The corrupt thought is to be expelled. Every thought is to be brought into captivity to Jesus Christ. All animal propensities are to be subjected to the higher powers of the soul. The love of God must reign supreme; Christ must occupy an undivided throne. Our bodies are to be regarded as His purchased possession. The members of the body are to become the instruments of righteousness. {AH 127.2}

Page 5 of 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10

Moderator  dedication, Rick H 

Sabbath School Lesson Study Material Link
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
Most Recent Posts From Selected Public Forums
Seven Trumpets reconsidered
by Karen Y. 03/27/24 09:35 AM
Are the words in the Bible "imperfect"?
by Kevin H. 03/24/24 09:02 PM
The Story of David and Goliath
by ProdigalOne. 03/23/24 08:06 PM
Global Warming Farce
by kland. 03/22/24 10:17 AM
Carbon Dioxide What's so Bad about It?
by kland. 03/21/24 12:34 PM
The Value of Bible Types
by TruthinTypes. 03/17/24 06:22 PM
Orion Which Every One on the Globe Can See
by Rick H. 03/16/24 06:26 PM
'Prophet' Summons UFOs
by ProdigalOne. 03/16/24 02:19 AM
Will You Take The Wuhan Virus Vaccine?
by dedication. 03/11/24 06:31 PM
Get That Razor Wire Up!
by kland. 03/05/24 12:49 PM
Messages for This Time
by ProdigalOne. 03/04/24 05:54 AM
The Lake of Fire is Hell
by Rick H. 03/02/24 05:01 PM
Adventist Agriculture
by kland. 02/29/24 12:33 PM
Most Recent Posts From Selected Private Forums of MSDAOL
The Wound Is Healed! The Mark Is Forming!
by Rick H. 03/27/24 10:36 PM
Are we seeing a outpouring of the Holy Spirit?
by Rick H. 03/24/24 06:50 PM
Time Is Short!
by Rick H. 03/24/24 06:45 PM
Climate Change and the Sunday Law
by Rick H. 03/24/24 06:42 PM
WHAT IS THE VERY END-TIME PROPHECY?
by Rick H. 03/23/24 06:03 PM
Digital Identity Control
by Rick H. 03/23/24 02:08 PM
A.I. - The New God?
by Rick H. 03/23/24 01:59 PM
Christian Nationalism/Sunday/C
limate Change

by ProdigalOne. 03/16/24 08:38 PM
Perils of the Emerging Church Movement
by Rick H. 03/16/24 06:30 PM
Is There A Connection Between WO & LGBTQ?
by Kevin H. 03/12/24 09:20 PM
A Second American Civil War?
by Daryl. 03/04/24 06:14 PM
Forum Announcements
Visitors by Country Since February 11, 2013
Flag Counter
Google Maritime SDA OnLine Public Forums Site Search & Google Translation Service
Google
 
Web www.maritime-sda-online.com

Copyright 2000-Present
Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine).

LEGAL NOTICE:
The views expressed in this forum are those of individuals
and do not necessarily represent those of Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine,
as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church
from the local church level to the General Conference level.

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine) is also a self-supporting ministry
and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1