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Does God Punish? (Part 2) #154319
07/21/13 11:03 AM
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This is a continuation of the original thread under the original title of "does God punish?"


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Daryl] #154327
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The prior thread is 100 pages only because one has not changed their default settings which are too low. It can easily be set wo there are only 11 pages for the last thread. Very manageable, and easier to follow the flow. Now it is even harder to follow the flow because it is spread over 2 threads.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #154332
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As this question was not answered, I'm reposting it here:
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Was Satan referring to the "law of life" when he said that it needed to be changed? Was this the law that he said was "arbitrary"?

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Rosangela] #154333
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Yes.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #154334
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Does this law have any specific commandments?

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Rosangela] #154335
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Does this law have any specific commandments?
Originally Posted By: EGW
But in heaven, service is not rendered in the spirit of legality. When Satan rebelled against the law of Jehovah, the thought that there was a law came to the angels almost as an awakening to something unthought of. In their ministry the angels are not as servants, but as sons. There is perfect unity between them and their Creator. Obedience is to them no drudgery. Love for God makes their service a joy. So in every soul wherein Christ, the hope of glory, dwells, His words are re-echoed, "I delight to do Thy will, O My God: yea, Thy law is within My heart." Psalms 40:8. {MB 109.2}
Why was this a surprise to the Angels? Because it is build into their very fabric. Satan however became desirous of the position of Christ. How was it that He could go into the councils of God? Was he arbitrarily limited into what he could do? Read 1SP chapter 1. Satan set out to change how he was governed. He thought he could improve it. He was wrong. What did he change?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #154336
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Pay attention to the word "almost." They didn't habitually think about the law, but Satan consciously rebelled against that law.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Lucifer disputed the justice of this requirement in heaven, and thought its existence altogether unnecessary. {ST, September 24, 1894 par. 1}

The principles of the ten commandments existed before the fall, and were of a character suited to the condition of a holy order of beings. After the fall, the principles of those precepts were not changed, but additional precepts were given to meet man in his fallen state (3SG 295). {1BC 1104.3}

The law of Jehovah dating back to creation, was comprised in the two great principles, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. This is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." These two great principles embrace the first four commandments, showing the duty of man to God, and the last six, showing the duty of man to his fellowman. The principles were more explicitly stated to man after the fall, and worded to meet the case of fallen intelligences. This was necessary in consequence of the minds of men being blinded by transgression (ST April 15, 1875 [Reprinted in RH May 6, 1875]). {1BC 1104.4}

The two-commandment law is the same as the 10-commandment law (which is the two-commandment law adapted to fallen intelligences), and it was against this law that Satan rebelled in heaven.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Rosangela] #154338
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Pay attention to the term "The principles of the ten commandments".

Did The angels have to worry about Adultery? Nope.

I agree that the 2-commandment law was rebelled against. HOW? And HOW did that translate to humans? And how does that translate to CAUSING all sickness, disease, and death?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #154340
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Did The angels have to worry about Adultery? Nope.

Before sin they also couldn't understand concepts like "killing," "stealing," "lying," "coveting," "taking God's name in vain," "whorshiping images." This only makes sense for sinners.
But the two-commandment law already existed, and will exist for ever. Satan rebelled against its first principle. So, he rebelled against a law which had very specific commandments.
Satan rebelled against it because he didn't want to obey it. He wanted to be a god, and this could not happen under that law. So he said it was impossible to obey it, and proposed that it should be amended or abrogated.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Rosangela] #154341
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You asked if there are any specific commandments. Do you think the unfallen world has tables of stone (or what ever) with the law written down? We have no evidence of that. Yes, the "principles" where there. The angels kept the law naturally. It was their nature. This changed with Satan. He changed his very nature.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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