APL,

You speak without moderation. Ellen White was moderate on this issue. You are not. You are advocating a diet which Ellen White did not advocate. She never once said that a vegan diet was better. On the contrary, she said it was an extreme diet, and that the doctrine of dispensing with milk and eggs should not be taught. She said that when the time comes when we are forced to give up these things, the Lord would reveal it.

So the question is: Has God told you to give them up? Or have you run ahead of God and thought you'd better just do it anyway?

APL, regarding folate--how do you get B12 from it? Let's suppose you don't get a single picogram of "folic acid" in your diet (for the sake of argument). Does or does not folate mask the symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency? In other words, does it prevent the megaloblastic anemia associated with a lack of B12?

The literature I'm reading suggests that this is indeed the case. The caveat here is that some people would not get that much folate in their diet, because they do not eat sufficient green leafy vegetables. Here's where being a vegan comes in. Most vegans eat plenty of green leafy vegetables, and therefore, get sufficient folate to mask the symptoms of B12 deficiency.

To make the long story short, the following points are true:

1) Folate masks the symptoms of B12 deficiency.
2) B12 is only available from animal sources, and perhaps from some supplements--it is NOT available in vegan sources, including yeast.
3) Those who get sufficient folate but who are vegan do not get B12 and may not realize their deficiency.
4) A minority of people can live on a vegan diet, according to Mrs. White, without harm.
5) B12 deficiency causes permanent brain damage.
6) THEREFORE: A majority of those who arbitrarily become vegan will develop brain damage and/or "cognitive impairment."

I have associated with numerous vegans in this condition, and they simply cannot see their danger. They cannot be reasoned with. Their reasoning goes awry on both their extreme positions on health reform (becomes "deform" for them, per Ellen White) and in other matters related to spirituality. This topic is quite demonstrative of what happens when the mind is impaired by lack of B12. The vegans posting here continue to demonstrate the sagacity of Mrs. White in telling us to use milk and eggs as long as possible.

You see, Mrs. White's focus was upon only giving up the milk and eggs at the last minute. Many vegans today try to see how soon they can do so, instead of the other way around.

When the time comes, and God tells me to give them up, I'll be quite happy to do so. Until then, I must take care of my body temple by providing it what is needful for health and strength.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I'm moving this discussion, as it is now leaving the yeast topic, to the thread on veganism which I have started.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Can you link us to your new thread on veganism, or is this the link?

http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=155719&page=1