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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: Daryl] #157363
10/19/13 05:59 AM
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She wan't talking about Him not obeying the ceremonial law. She was talking about Him coming as a meek and lowly peasant. Here's more context:

He began His mission in the lowly walks of life, placing Himself where the family of which He was a member required His service. He did not shirk responsibility, but carried into His labour cheerfulness and tact. He regarded every department of human industry as though it were a part of His commission from God. The Commander of heaven became subject to command, but in it all He manifested heartiness and devotion. He was a perfect pattern in every place. – {BEcho October 31, 1898 Par. 6}

Christ passed through all the experiences of His childhood, youth, and manhood without the observance of ceremonial temple worship. He held no office, He assumed no rank. He passed through the experience of infancy, childhood, and manhood without a stain upon His character. He consecrated Himself to God that He might benefit and bless others, to show that in every period of life the human agent can do the Master’s will. – {BEcho October 31, 1898 Par. 7}


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: asygo] #157380
10/19/13 10:12 PM
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Actually EGW is talking about

Ceremonial temple worship.

NOT about ceremonial law.

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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: dedication] #157381
10/19/13 10:28 PM
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"Christ passed through all the experiences of his childhood, youth, and manhood without the observance of ceremonial temple worship. He held no office, he assumed no rank. He passed through the experience of infancy, childhood, and manhood without a stain upon his character. He consecrated himself to God that he might benefit and bless others, to show that in every period of life the human agent can do the Master's will. {RH, October 24, 1899 par. 11}

Jesus came to the world to live the life which it is for the interest of every being on earth to live,--that of humble obedience. To all, Christ has given a probation, in which to form characters for the mansions he has gone to prepare, and he calls upon all to follow his example. Those who are indeed learners in the school of Christ will not exalt themselves {RH, October 24, 1899 par. 13}


Notice the two elements in opposition --
Temple ceremonial worship
Learners in the school of Christ

This paragraph adds more insights:

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"With the people of that age the value of all things was determined by outward show. As religion had declined in power, it had increased in pomp. The educators of the time sought to command respect by display and ostentation. To all this the life of Jesus presented a marked contrast. His life demonstrated the worthlessness of those things that men regarded as life's great essentials. Born amidst surroundings the rudest, sharing a peasant's home, a peasant's fare, a craftsman's occupation, living a life of obscurity, identifying Himself with the world's unknown toilers,--amidst these conditions and surroundings,Jesus followed the divine plan of education. The schools of His time, with their magnifying of things small and their belittling of things great, He did not seek. His education was gained directly from the Heaven-appointed sources; from useful work, from the study of the Scriptures and of nature, and from the experiences of life--God's lesson books, full of instruction to all who bring to them the willing hand, the seeing eye, and the understanding heart.

{Ed 77.2}


The child Jesus did not receive instruction in the synagogue schools. His mother was His first human teacher. From her lips and from the scrolls of the prophets, He learned of heavenly things. The very words which He Himself had spoken to Moses for Israel He was now taught at His mother's knee. As He advanced from childhood to youth, He did not seek the schools of the rabbis. He needed not the education to be obtained from such sources; for God was His instructor.--DA 70 (1898)

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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: dedication] #157418
10/20/13 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ellen White
About forty days after the birth of Christ, Joseph and Mary took Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord, and to offer sacrifice. This was according to the Jewish law, and as man's substitute Christ must conform to the law in every particular. He had already been subjected to the rite of circumcision, as a pledge of His obedience to the law. {DA 50.1}


Blessings,

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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: Green Cochoa] #157433
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Does this mean that Christ also offered sacrifices? If so, then what kind of sacrifices did Christ offer, as in for what purpose?
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: Ellen White
About forty days after the birth of Christ, Joseph and Mary took Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord, and to offer sacrifice. This was according to the Jewish law, and as man's substitute Christ must conform to the law in every particular. He had already been subjected to the rite of circumcision, as a pledge of His obedience to the law. {DA 50.1}


Blessings,

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In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: Daryl] #157439
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Is there any record anywhere of Christ coming to the temple to offer sacrifices?

I don't think there is.

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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: Daryl] #157447
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Does this mean that Christ also offered sacrifices? If so, then what kind of sacrifices did Christ offer, as in for what purpose?

As the Sinless One, He would not have had any need to offer any sin offering. The law required such only from those who sinned.

The sacrifice in DA 50 is the redemption price, IIRC. It was for those who "open the womb," which Jesus did.

Circumcision was a sign of the covenant between God and man - I will be their God, they will be my people. That fit Jesus as well.

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By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: asygo] #157511
10/24/13 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: Daryl
Does this mean that Christ also offered sacrifices? If so, then what kind of sacrifices did Christ offer, as in for what purpose?

As the Sinless One, He would not have had any need to offer any sin offering. The law required such only from those who sinned.

The sacrifice in DA 50 is the redemption price, IIRC. It was for those who "open the womb," which Jesus did.

Circumcision was a sign of the covenant between God and man - I will be their God, they will be my people. That fit Jesus as well.


Jesus offered lots of sacrifice, He offered Himself.

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The Lord Jesus Christ revealed a character entirely opposite to that of Satan. As the high priest laid [off] his gorgeous pontifical robes, and officiated in the white linen dress of a common priest, so Christ emptied Himself and took the form of a servant, and offered sacrifice, Himself the priest, Himself the victim. {18MR 362.2}
By causing the death of the Sovereign of heaven, Satan defeated his own purposes. The death of the Son of God made the death of Satan unavoidable. Satan was allowed to go on until his administration was laid open before the worlds unfallen and before the heavenly universe. By shedding the blood of the Son of God, he uprooted himself [from sympathy], and was seen by all to be a liar, a thief, and a murderer. {18MR 362.3}


The ceremonial law and how it was fulfilled had the same effect as the Holy Spirit, there is a division between unrighteousness and Holiness. The way Jesus offered sacrifice was perfect in His offering, and Satan saw what it meant, the effect was blind rage against his old commander, and in his blindness he caused his own final ruination.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: jamesonofthunder] #157512
10/24/13 08:56 AM
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God did not change His law, but He sacrificed Himself, in Christ, for man’s redemption. “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself.” 2 Corinthians 5:19. {DA 762.1}


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law [Re: jamesonofthunder] #157519
10/24/13 12:34 PM
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jamesonofthunder,

You're answering a question that was not asked. I think everyone participating here would agree with what you have said. But that was not the point under discussion in this thread. We were speaking of whether or not Christ observed the ceremonial laws. There was no ceremonial law which commanded a person be crucified for sin. The cross was not part of the types. It was the anti-type. Our discussion here is focused on Christ's observance, or non-observance as the case may be, of the types.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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