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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171668
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I see you didn't answer my concerns.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171686
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Thanks again Karen. I think you're right. The trumpets will sound and bring the three angel's messages to a loud cry. I think the only difference in our views is that you believe the trumpets are warning messages and that they do not bring the disasters they describe. But we both are saying they warn of the plagues. I think they actually happen and that they will start soon, possibly as soon as six weeks from today. We'll know soon.

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The Seven Trumpets are the last warning to the world for the coming Seven Last Plagues, which I believe that the shadow of the plagues is already here. Jesus will come as a thief if we do not watch and keep our garments clean (Rev. 16:15) because many would be ignorant of the plagues that have begun falling.
“Then I saw that the seven last plagues were soon to be poured out upon those who have no shelter; yet the world regarded them no more than they would so many drops of water that were about to fall.” ER 64.2
I believe the event of the descriptions of the Seven Trumpets is going to fulfill in the Seven Plagues. The first plague is “a noisome and grievous sore upon the men”(Rev. 16:2) that will destroy 1/3 men on earth as depicted as trees and all green grass in the first trumpet. The ‘hail and fire mixed with blood’ denote a destruction of the life of men. (Rev. 8:7)
God tells us that “ye receive not of her plagues” (Rev. 18:4), which means that He has provided a way of escape of the coming plague of “a noisome and grievous sore”. God has given us a health message to adhere in order to avoid the coming disaster of health issues.

Acts 15:29 “That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well…”

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171792
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1Cor. 14:8 “for if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?”
In order to warn the world for the coming wrath of God, the ‘trumpeters’ must know what are the Seven Last Plagues really mean.
The first plague is “a noisome and grievous sore upon the men”. (Rev. 16:2)
“And an evil and MALIGNANT ulcer came on those of mankind.” Literal Concordant version. We are told that this is literal plague of the wrath of God upon men. The raging epidemic cancer (Marignant ulcer) is literally occurring right now. I cannot interpret otherwise than the pandemic phenomenon. “Watch”, what is happening in a global level. The shadow of the first plague is already here! Please listen to the Holy Spirit talking to the church of God “abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well”. (Acts 15:29)
The first church of Ephesus was warned of the coming “noisome and grievous sore”upon men. Thus the health message with gospel went forth to the world“ conquering, and to conquer” as denoted in the first seal. (Rev. 6:2)
Continually rejecting the voice of the Holy Spirit will end up receiving the mark of the beast. (Rev. 16:2). We must be overcomers in the world by hearing and obeying the Spirit of God to refuse the mark of the beast.

So the first trumpeter’s warning is “…there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up and all green grass was burnt up.” (Rev. 8:7)
The trees and green grass depict men on earth. The blood mingled in the fire and hail indicates death to men. We are told one third of men would die. Statistics show that one out of three people diagnosed of cancer these days. I would say that the first plagues are already falling.
Notice that I connected all the first of the series of the church, seal, trumpet and plague. This method of application gives a understanding why the first plague is falling. I have learned this way of interpretation many years ago from a laymen scholar of the book of Revelation. You may apply this method to all others of the four series in sequence to discover a deeper meaning.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171887
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Seven Plagues

The beginning of the seven plagues is known by the signs of the time.

Gen. 1:14 “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”

When the sun, moon, and stars are behaving strangely upon the atmosphere of the earth, it is giving us the clues of the signs of the beginning of the seven plagues just as Noah’s time when the untamed animals and the birds flocked into the Ark.

We are told that God is going to pour out the wrath of God in the Seven Plagues, which is not mixed with any mercies. He is not talking about a symbolic wrath of God but the literal seven plagues. So consider the seven plagues in the book of Revelation!

The first plague is “noisome and grievous sore upon men”, which are the malignant ulcers.

The second plague is “every living soul died in the sea”, which is saying that the ocean life is polluted to death of men.

The third plague is “the rivers and fountains of waters” became blood, which is saying that the drinking water for men is so polluted and as the result calamity occurs to men.

The fourth plague is “sun scorched with great heat”, which brings disasters to agriculture, climate, economy, and spiritual calamities. With this plague, men will blaspheme God rather than repenting.

The fifth plague is that “the seat of the beast…was full of darkness”, which denotes that the Papacy is troubled. They desire to die but the death will flee from them.

The sixth plague is that the three unclean spirits unite together to destroy God’s people, which is Armageddon battle. The sixth plague is already “set up” to slaughter or oppress the saints by the trio powers of economy, religion, and politic.

The seventh plague is that “the kingdoms of this world are become kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ” by the second coming of Jesus. This literal event is the plague for the wicked.

Now we should read the Seven Trumpets of warning.

The first trumpet sounded, saying, “there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, …” were cast to the earth dwellers. The one third of trees and all green grass was burnt up, which the tree and grass denote mankind.

The second trumpet sounded, saying, “great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and … became blood.” The polluted ocean life impacts men’s life that is depicted as “ships were destroyed.”

The third trumpet sounded, which fell upon the “rivers and fountains of waters”. The drinking water made bitter because the saints and prophets have shed blood.

The fourth trumpet sounded, then the celestial bodies of sun, moon and the stars became darkened or troubled. This will bring disasters to agriculture, climate, economy, and spiritual condition. But the men still blaspheme God rather than repenting.

The fifth trumpet sounded, and the torment caused by a scorpion made men desire to die but the death will flee from them. This kind of torture is a spiritual torment, which is much more severe than physical torment. The beast will be tormented by smoke to this extend, which is depicted as darkened by the smoke.

The sixth trumpet has warning threats by the fire, the smoke and the brimstone to those who do not repent but blaspheme God, which are the three unclean spirits.

The seventh trumpet sounded, saying that the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ.

The Seven Trumpets are foretelling the future of the completion of the plagues.
The sealed saints must blow the seven trumpets toward the world that they may repent their sins and stop blaspheming God, while the mercies of God last a little more time.

As you have seen in this study, the seven plagues obviously parallel to the seven trumpets, which indicate that they are relevant, each other.

Amos 3:7 “ Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #172032
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Fifth Trumpet parallels

Will our God give trumpet sounds prior to the close of the probation? We have studied so far that the Seven Trumpets has obvious correlation to the Seven Plagues even to the Seven Churches and the Seven Seals. How interesting it is to discover that the each series of the Seven has a golden thread that we may draw a complete picture why the Seven Plagues have to fall.

Want to hear a provocative thought again in the fifth ones?

Consider the fifth plague that poured out upon the seat of the beast, which is the Papacy. God in the throne has been receiving prayers of the saints and the golden bowl has been accumulating all the prayers. The martyrs of the saints continue to ascent their prayers to the throne of God, saying, “How long, O Lord!” in the fifth seal. During the time of the reformation, which is the fifth church period, many of the saints in the system of the Papacy have been martyred no doubt even to these days.
The bowl of golden cup will be poured out as the plagues when the wrath of God filled up.
Why the Papacy has to suffer the plague such as “gnawed their tongues for pain” in the fifth plague? The answer to the reason why is “for they have shed the blood of saints and prophets” (Rev. 16:6).
The fifth trumpet indicated their sufferings as “the torment of a scorpion” and they would “desire to die, and death shall flee from them” (Rev. 9:5-6). This kind of the spiritual torments stirred by the fallen angel who was given the key of the bottomless pit. We are told of his identity in Rev. 12:9: “the great dragon…the devil, and Satan.” The Angel of the bottomless pit is also called Abaddon, or Apollyon, which means a destroyer. This dragon gave the Papacy “his power and his seat, and great authority (Rev. 13:2) to be his agent in this world.

The fifth of the seven series of the churches, seals, trumpets and plague parallel to give us a complete understanding of the plan of God, even a child can understand.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #172189
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The greatest event of the prophecy is Jesus' second coming. We must let the trumpet sound about the imminent event. Have you considered what might be happening at the coming of Jesus? I will share my study notes.

Rev. 6:1 “And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.”

Why “the noise of thunder” when Jesus released the first seal? The invitation to “Come and see” as “it were of a trumpet talking” was still leading the way of vision by the Holy Spirit.

Psalm 66:5 “Come and see the works of God: he is terrible in his doing toward the children of men.”

When Jesus released the pressure of the first seal, the white horse “went forth conquering, and to conquer”. Doubtlessly, the Apostles preached a message of hope of Jesus’ Second Coming when the Holy Spirit came upon them during the first church period. That was the ‘noise of thunder’.

Acts 1:11 “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

Thus they conquered wherever they went with the gospel of Jesus.

Rev. 10:3 “And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.”

Here comes the “seven thunders” like a “lion roareth”, which parallels with the first beast of the first seal. In Rev. 6:1 the reference of the first beast is a lion that says, “Come and see”. This voice was like “the noise of thunder”.

Thus, the preaching of the Second Coming of Jesus is depicted as the “thunder”. Nevertheless, when the Advent Movement was revived in the period of the Philadelphia church, a voice from heaven saying, “seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.” (Rev. 10:4)
It was not in the timeline of God’s plan for Jesus’ Second Coming.

Acts 1:7 “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.”

The people of God have a commission to prophesy again for they have discovered the Sabbath truth after the Great Disappointment in 1844. It was not a time for Jesus to come then, in fact, each period of the church history has preached of His Coming. Thus it is the ‘seven thunders’ of seven Christian eras, which was depicted but instructed to “seal up…the seven thunders”.

Jesus’ Second Coming is the greatest event that prophesied not only in the Book of Revelation but also in all the Scriptures of the prophecy.

The Bible tells us five things will occur at the event of His Coming;

1). Earth becomes the center of the universe. “Powers of heavens shall be shaken” (Matt. 24:29).

2). The greatest earthquake will occur with the “shaking”. “Mighty an earthquake.” (Rev. 16:18)

3). There will be a “feast of bird” and a “feast of bride”. (Rev. 19:6-18).

4). Earth will be cleansed by fierce fire. (Rev. 19:20) “Cast …into a lake of fire.”

5). Earth becomes in a state of “void” or “bottomless pit” for one thousand years. (Rev. 20:1-3)

Matt. 23:24 “Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.”
Marking the greatest event into a smallest matter and the smallest things to huge matter are the same delinquent sin.

We must prepare to meet the greatest event of the Second Coming of Jesus by studying the prophecy.

1). Powers of Heaven will be Shaken

Matt. 24:29
Mark 13:24
Luke 21:25

“December 16, 1848, the Lord gave me a view of the shaking of the powers of the heavens. I saw that when the Lord said “heaven,” in giving the signs recorded by Matthew, Mark, and Luke, He meant heaven, and when He said “earth” He meant earth. The powers of heaven are the sun, moon, and stars. They rule in the heavens. The powers of earth are those that rule on the earth. The powers of heaven will be shaken at the voice of God. Then the sun, moon, and stars will be moved out of their places. They will not pass away, but be shaken by the voice of God. – {EW 41.1}

EW pg. 33 “The sun came up, and the moon stood still. The streams ceased to flow. Dark, heavy clouds came up and clashed against each other. …The sky opened and shut and was in commotion. The mountains shook like a reed in the wind, and cast out ragged rocks all around. The sea boiled like a pot and cast out stones upon the land.”

Heb. 12:26, 27 “Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.”

2). Mighty Earthquake

Rev. 16:18,20 “…there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great….And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.”

Rev. 18:10 “…Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour is thy judgment come.”

Rev. 18:17, 19 “For in one hour so great riches is come to nought…for in one hour is she made desolate.”

Rev. 9:4,6 “…but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads…
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”
Isa. 24:17-20 “…the foundations of the earth do shake…. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, …”

Matt. 28:2 “And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.”

Matt. 27:51-52 “And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,”

1 Thess. 4:16-17 “…with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:…”

When the multitudes of saints arise from the graves, there will be a mighty earthquake.

3). Two Feasts

The feast of bird: The wicked that did not die in the earthquake will participate in the bird feast. This was the most terrible execution in the days of ancient time.

Gen. 40:19 “Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and shall hang thee on a tree; and the birds shall eat thy flesh from off thee.”

1 Sam. 17:43,44 “And the Philistine said unto David, Am I a dog, that thou comest to me with staves? And the Philistine cursed David by his gods. And the Philistine said to David, Come to me, and I will give thy flesh unto the fowls of the air, and to the beasts of the field.”

Esther 7:9,10 “…Behold also, the gallows fifty cubits high, which Haman had made for Mordecai,…So they hanged Haman on the gallows …Then was the king’s wrath pacified.”

Esther 9:13,14 “…Haman’s ten sons be hanged upon the gallows…”

Deut. 21:23 “His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.”

The Feast of the Bird is worse than the death on the cross.
Matt. 27:46 “…Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani? That is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsken me?”

Dying in torment for a long time is the horrific death. Rev. 9:6 “…men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”
John 19:33 “But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:”

The death on the cross usually takes 15 days of life.

Rev. 8:1 “…there was silence …about the space of half an hour.” – ½ hr. = 7.5 days
Rev. 18:9,17,19 “one hour” – 1 hr. = 15 days
They will seek death but shall not find it. (Rev. 9:6)

The wicked will participate 15 days in the bird feast on the earth while the saints participate in the feast of bride in heaven.

Structure outline in the Chap. 19 of Revelation
verse 6-9 The Feast of Bride at the time of Second Coming of Jesus.
verse 11-16 The Event of Second Coming of Jesus.
verse 17,18 The Feast of Bird at the time of Second Coming of Jesus.

Jesus suffered the bird feast on the cross. Psalm 22:19, 69:21, Luke 23:33, Heb. 12:2, 6:5,6

4). Earth becomes furnace of fire

The intensity of the fire at the Second Coming is fiercer than the time of the second death after the millennium.
2 Thess. 2:7,8 “…And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.”

Gen. 7:11 “…the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.”

The brimstone for the second death is to eliminate the wicked. Yet, the second coming of Jesus will cleansed the whole earth and the sea with consuming fire.
Ex.) To catch a criminal requires intense work than to execute the criminal.

At the second coming of Jesus, the Satan has to be thrown into the bottomless pit.
Matt. 12:29 “Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”
Rev. 20:2,3 “And he laid hold on the dragon that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

Rev. 19:20 “….These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

Rev. 20:10 “…And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

Isa. 30:33 “For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”

2 Peter 3:6,7 and 10-13

5). The earth becomes bottomless pit

Rev. 20:6 “…they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Gen. 2:1-3 ---------6 days creation------------→ Seventh day Sabbath

Ex. 21:1-2 ---------6 years slavery -----------→ Seventh year free

Lev. 23 -------------6 feasts --------------------→ Feast of Tabernacle

Rev. 20 ----------- 6000 yrs. ------------------→ 1000 yrs. In heaven

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #172378
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In order to understand the Seven Trumpets, we must not lose a sight of Jesus Christ who reveals the vision with the sound of the trumpet. John told us that, “I…heard…a great voice, as of a trumpet” (Rev. 1:10) in the beginning.

The “trumpet …” was “the first voice which I heard” revealed the vision of the throne room in Chap. 4 and 5. There we are told that Jesus is worthy to “loose the seven seals” (Rev. 5:5).

As Jesus in heaven releases the each seal we are told that a restraining power of God was released in the earth. A “power was granted to” the earth dwellers (Rev. 6:4) and “power was given to” (Rev. 6:8) “kill with sword,..hunger,…death, … beasts.”

Why is Jesus worthy to loose the seven seals when it seems to “hurt the earth” (Rev. 7:2) and intensifies as He releases each seal? They “kill one another” and “peace from the earth” taken away. Earth corrupted with the deceitfulness of men. And the “fourth part of the earth” become hurt by “sword,..hunger,..death,..and the beasts”. Things intensified in the loud cries, “How long, O Lord..?” Lastly, there is horrible cries, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne.” (Rev. 6:16).

Even John voiced his concern, “who shall be able to stand?” as Jesus is releasing the pressure of evil that was restrained?

The four angels in the Chap. Seven have a special task that not to hurt “the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till… sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.” (Rev. 7:3). Thus, we have a hint that during the release of the seals, the restrained powers of evil have loosened somewhat by Jesus for them to exercise their power. By their intensified evils as numbered, they are earning their way for a punishment at the end.

However, Jesus reveals to us that He has His own people who are sealed and completely seal of God. These are the ones that God does not allowed to be “hurt” as the seals released.
Jesus has His people: the resurrected saints (the multitudes) and the alive of the 144,000. The Chap. Seven describes only these two groups of sealed of God. There is none others.

Conclusively, the seventh seal released to reveal that the story of the redemption has completed and the heaven is silent for half an hour. This is like silence before the verdict is read in a courtroom.

So the verdict to the Antichrist Empire is in the Seven Trumpets. The story of the salvation of the saints is described from the Chap. one to Chap. Seven. Now in the Chapter Eight we are told that the powers to “hurt” the earth are pronounced.

The “third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up” (Rev. 8:7), and this is the sound of the first trumpet.

The command ‘not to hurt the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees’ (Rev. 7:3) was given to the four angels who were holding the wind that “should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree”(Rev. 7:1). Now the first trumpet said that the “hurt” is happening.
Notice that the four angels are releasing their hold! That is why the “hurt the earth,…the sea,..the trees” has transpired, which the first trumpet has informed us of the close of probation.

We can also confirm the release of the four angels in the sixth trumpet. The command said, “Loose the four angels” (Rev. 9:14), which the voice came from the “four horns of the golden altar”. The horns depict mercy of God in this context, which the golden altar has four horns in the sanctuary. When Adonijah feared the king Solomon, he “caught hold on the horns of the altar” and said, “Let king Solomon swear unto me to day that he will not slay his servant” (1 King 1:50,51).

The four horns are located on “the golden altar which is before God” (Rev. 9:13). Notice that the “prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne” (Rev. 8:3) ascended to the throne with the “much incense” of Jesus. This depicts of Jesus’ intercession upon the mercy seat of God in heaven. Holding the winds by the four angels assures that there is mercy of God but when the four angels release their hold that indicates the close of the probation.

Thus the release of the four angels indicates that the probation ended and there is no more mercy of God. This is the verdict to the Antichrist Empire in the Seven Trumpets. Another aspect to the Seven Trumpet is to awake the church of God by foreseeing the event of the close of probation that is very imminent.
This two-fold purpose of the Seven Trumpets tells us the blueprint of the plan of God for the end-time prophecy. The Book of Revelation is our manual book to finish the history of the earth.

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In comparing the trumpets to the plagues, I find only one apparent discrepancy.

Re 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Re 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.


The trumpets say "a third" frequently, but the plagues do not specify a quantity except in the above case where it says "every". However, "every" in the Greek can mean "any", "as many as", or "whole".

How would this relate to the situation today? A lot of the Pacific Ocean is dying or is already dead (among many others, over 35,000 baby sea lions could be dead) from the radiation spewing into it from Japan. It's a very big ocean and the radiation won't be contained to just it.

Suppose that most of the creatures in the sea are dead before the trumpets and plagues happen. Would it not be correct to say that "the third" of life remaining is also "every living soul"?

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Blow of the Seven Trumpets

As Jesus in heaven releases each seal we are told that a restraining power of God was loosed on the earth, which is the pressure of evil that was restrained.
A “power was granted to” the earth dwellers (Rev. 6:4) and “power was given to” (Rev. 6:8) the freewill of man to run its course to mature their evil ways.

In a contrast, the saints also mature to overcome and purified to be a prepared bride for Jesus Christ in the great Day of the Lord.

We are told again “it was granted to him to make war with the saints” (Rev. 13:7), which is the “beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads…” (Rev. 13:1). This beast has received his power from the dragon (Rev. 13:2) to “make a war with the remnant of her seed” (Rev. 12:17).

The seven heads of the beast are the evil forces that come against the seven churches of God during the Christian dispensation. The seven churches are the seven candlesticks, which the seven Spirits abide. When the release of the four angels in the sixth trumpet, the seven heads of the beast will “hurt” the earth, the sea and the trees. Notice that the evil destroys the evil in the plan of God.

Rev. 9:19 “…had heads, and with them they do hurt”. The beast with the seven heads has been attempting to destroy the earth, the sea and the trees during the seven church periods but was restrained by the Seven Spirits until the four angels loose their hold. Now the power granted to them was fully released that they can destroy anyone except the sealed of God just as the firstborns were destroyed except the Israelites with the blood of the lamb on their doorpost.

Nonetheless, the power given to the beast from the dragon (Rev.13:2) to make war with the saints appeared as the seven mountains of threat to the saints. There is another cry of inquiry, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

The response to the question, “who is able to stand?” was the “sealed the servants of our God” (Rev. 7:3). Apostle John said, “I heard the number of those who were sealed, the one hundred and forty-four thousand” (Rev. 7:4), which was the answer to his inquiry.

Likewise, the answer to, “Who is able to make war with him?” is “behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand,” that is to make war with the beast.

Notice the flow of the storyline. After the ‘Loosening of the Seven Seals’ there seems to be none who can stand the evil force. But God’s answer to us is the 144,000 in Chap. 7 shall be able to stand. Then the Seven Trumpets appear on the scene of the visions in Chap. 8 thru 11. This is like a judgment or verdict that is reserved for the Antichrist Empire.
Yet the power of the beast in Chap. 13 appears enormously great that “Who is able to make war with him?” was uttered. Again God answers this question in Chap. 14, “behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand” shall make war with the beast.

The dramatic battle for the end-time is a glorious one for God’s people. As the 144,000 march into battle, they sing songs of victory (Rev. 15:3, 4), which is the allusion of the battle of the Jehoshaphat when he defeated Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir. (2 Chron. 20). Jehoshaphat’s army sang a song of praise and “went out before the army” for the “battle is not yours, but God’s (2 Chron. 20:15)”.

Thus the 144,000 remnant have an understanding of the will of God and will blow the Seven Trumpets of the Book of Revelation with the full force.

Only priests are designated to blow the trumpet. Num. 10:8 “And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow with the trumpets; and they shall be to you for an ordinance for ever throughout your generations.”

Just as God sent Moses to declare judgment upon Pharaoh, He has “the called, and chosen, and faithful” of the 144,000 to send to the Antichrist Empire to pronounce their verdict judgment of the Seven Trumpets.

We have observed that the first four trumpets are announcing of the natural resources of the earth, sea, fountains of water and the celestial bodies that has been affected as “hurt”, which indicate that the four angels in Chap. 7 has been released their “hold” of the wind. The task of the four angels was not “to hurt the earth and the sea…till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads”. Now the “hurt” has occurred.

Conclusively, the “hurt” of the natural resources indicated that the sealing of God was completed and the close of probation has arrived.

The severity of the first four trumpets is gradual phenomenon upon the earth-dwellers and not as intensified as the next three trumpets. The three “woe, woe, woe” indicate their urgency and severity for “an angel flying through the midst of heaven” declaring, “woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpets of the three angels, which are yet to sound!”

The implication of the last three trumpets is spiritual warfare that is much more intensified and the safety of the saints is endangered also. However, God’s protection is promised to the sealed of God. The command was given “not to hurt the sealed of God”. The “hurt” occurs only when the four angels release their hold on the winds of the four corners of the earth. Notice the demonic activities in the fifth trumpet, which are hurting men as scorpion that is indicating the close of probation.

We are told that the four angels were released in the sixth trumpet. “…Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates” (Rev. 9:14).
At the point of time, their hold is released. “And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.” (Rev. 9:15). The river “Euphrates” also indicate that the end of the boundary of the time, which the sixth plague told us that the vial poured upon the “Euphrates…that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared” (Rev. 16:12).

Gen. 15:18 “In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:”

In the seventh trumpet, the voice was of the “kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;”. This is the announcement that all the kingdoms of this world are transferred over to the Lord.

Rev. 10:7 says that the days of the sounding of the seventh trumpet are when the mystery of God is finished.

The study of the seven trumpets reveals the two-fold purpose. The close of the probation is imminent and the wrath of God will pour out in the seven plagues.

In the introduction for the seven trumpets, Jesus, our High Priest, will cast the ashes of the golden altar upon the earth, which indicate that His ministries of the intercession has completed in the heavenly sanctuary.

Thus the understanding of the seven trumpets will wake up the church of God. And the seal of God will pronounce the verdict judgment to the Antichrist Empire in the seven trumpet sound.

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