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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164257
04/13/14 04:12 AM
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THIRD LESSON April 12-19

Christ and Religious Tradition

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/14b/less03.html

What is tradition?

It is defined as the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation.

Are "traditions" and the "commandments of men" the same thing?

This is a question that often comes up.
There are some who look to long established truths and practices -- which are, according to the definition, "traditions", as being the same as the commandments of men.

Yet when Jesus says "In vain you worship me teaching for doctrines the traditions of men" was He speaking of Biblical truths long established?
Or was he talking about human rules that were actually in contradiction to the Biblical truths?

The context in which Jesus says these words, tells us the temple authorities had made a law that excused someone who bequeathed his inheritance to the temple from taking care of His parents. Thus a human command had made one of God's commandments (the 5th) void.

Both laws could be considered "traditions" as both were long standing. But one was based on human commands, while the other was based on God's commands.


Paul uses the word "traditions" twice,
once in a positive manner and the other time in negative manner.

The negative:
Galatians 1:13-14 I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

The positive:
2 Thess. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164268
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What is EGW referring to in this quote:

Quote:
In reviewing our past history, having traveled over every step of advance to our present standing, I can say, Praise God! As I see what God has wrought, I am filled with astonishment, and with confidence in Christ as leader. We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history. {CET 204.1}


And how does it compare to this quote:

Quote:
"We are not to inquire, What is the practice of men? or, What is the custom of the world? We are not to ask, How shall I act in order to have the approval of men? or, What will the world tolerate? The question of intense interest to every soul is, What has God said? We are to read his word and obey it, not swerving one jot or tittle from its requirements, but acting irrespective of human traditions and jurisdiction."{RH, October 1, 1895 par. 3}

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164296
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Multiplicity of rules.

Rules can benefit in many ways when a problem must be met, or confusion needs to be redirected. Programs run smoother when everyone abides by the same rules.

Yet rules can become traditions and be elevated to a point where they become a burden or even in conflict with the principles of God's law.

Why do we need so many rules?

The Pharisees in Christ's day had a great many rules.
On the one hand they were the ones who resisted the infiltration of Hellenization and tried to keep the Jewish "church" distinct. "The name Pharisees is derived from the Hebrew paras, which means “to separate.” In an age when many Jews had become greatly influenced by pagan cultures, the Pharisees saw it as their duty to ensure that every Jewish male was taught the law."

What was Jesus concern for the Pharisees?

Matthew 23

His concern was that they had a lot of rules to govern the outward actions, but the heart was not in tune with God.

Basically to concern is when the heart is not right with God and church becomes a mere form without the power, that a host of rules have to be made to govern the church. The carnal heart always looks for a loop hole, so a new rule has to be made to cover that loop hole!

But when a person is "born again" and committed to Christ, they live by the principle of the law. It is written in the hearts and minds by the holy spirit. They don't need a magnitude of rules.

Another problem in a host of rules is that people who meticulously follow them, think it's their ticket to heaven, and they aren't searching for Him.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164343
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An EGW quote from Wednesday's study:
Quote:

The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. . . . In place of the authority of the so-called fathers of the church, God bids us accept the word of the eternal Father, the Lord of heaven and earth.-Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 398.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164435
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FOURTH LESSON April 19-25
Christ and the Law in the Sermon on the Mount

Click here for lesson #4

The Sermon on the Mount covers four basic sections:

1. The Beatitudes (Matt. 5:1-12)
2. Christianity is compared with light and salt (Matt. 5:13-16)
3. Magnifying the Law (Matt. 5:17-48)
4. Christian Behavior (Matt. 6 and 7)


The lesson focuses mainly on the third section:
Magnifying the Law (Matt. 5:17-48

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164438
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Some questions that came up in discussions concerning this chapter:

Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Doesn't this say even those who break the commandments and teach others to break them will still be in the kingdom of heaven, they just won't have high position, but be among the "least"? In a lower level in heaven?

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EGW comments: "Whosoever . . . shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom
of heaven." Matthew 5:19 That is, he shall have no place therein. For he who willfully breaks one commandment, does not, in spirit and truth, keep any of them. "Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10.
It is not the greatness of the act of disobedience that constitutes sin, but the fact of variance from God's expressed will in the least particular; for this shows that there is yet communion between the soul and sin. The heart is divided in its service. There is a virtual denial of God, a rebellion against the laws of His government. {MB 51.2-3}

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164440
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Does temper equal murder?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Johann] #164443
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Originally Posted By: Johann
Does temper equal murder?


Matt. 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


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Murder begins in the heart, and epithets such as “raca” (empty head, stupid) are signs that there is hatred lurking within. The hatred that causes one person to hurl insults is the same hatred that causes another to commit murder. The attitude of the heart is the same, and it’s this attitude that makes a person morally guilty before God.

Jesus not only warns us against expressing unrighteous anger, which can lead to murder, but clearly commands that disparaging denunciations and name-calling be avoided. Such abusive words reveal the true intents of one’s heart and mind for which we will be held in judgment: “I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve” (Jeremiah 17:10; cf. 1 Samuel 16:7; 1 Chronicles 28:9).


An uncontrolled temper can very easily fall into all three categories warned against in this Bible passage.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164467
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Last week we studied some about the Pharisees who were very zealous for the law. With all the Greek Hellenization and other "worldly" things entering the Jewish Community, these Pharisees wanted to stay with God's law. However they made so many rules as to how to keep that law, that it became an unbearable burden. Jesus worked to unravel God's commandments from these traditions.

In this weeks lesson Jesus makes a very strong statement.
Not one jot or tittle was to be removed from the law.
And
Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees you can't enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt. 5:20

What important lesson do these passages teach about true obedience to the law?


Quote:
"The righteousness of Christ, as a pure white pearl, has no defect, no stain, no guilt. This righteousness may be ours. Salvation, with its blood-bought, inestimable treasures, is the pearl of great price. {FLB 111.5}
The thought that the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us, not because of any merit on our part, but as a free gift from God, is a precious thought. The enemy of God and man is not willing that this truth should be clearly presented; for he knows that if the people receive it fully, his power will be broken. {FLB 111.6}
Only the covering which Christ Himself has provided can make us meet to appear in God's presence. This covering, the robe of His own righteousness, Christ will put upon every repenting, believing soul. "I counsel thee," He says, "to buy of me . . . white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed. . . ." Revelation 3:18. {FLB 113.2}
By His perfect obedience He has made it possible for every human being to obey God's commandments. When we submit ourselves to Christ, the heart is united with His heart, the will is merged in His will, the mind becomes one with His mind, the thoughts are brought into captivity to Him; we live His life. This is what it means to be clothed with the garment of His righteousness. Then as the Lord looks upon us He sees, not the fig-leaf garment, not the nakedness and deformity of sin, but His own robe of righteousness, which is perfect obedience to the law of Jehovah. {FLB 113.4}

While God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ's righteousness while practicing known sins, or neglecting known duties. {FLB 115.4}
The apostle James saw that dangers would arise in presenting the subject of justification by faith, and he labored to show that genuine faith cannot exist without corresponding works. The experience of Abraham is presented. "Seest thou," he says, "how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?" James 2:22. Thus genuine faith does a genuine work in the believer. Faith and obedience bring a solid, valuable experience. {FLB 115.5}
Faith and works are two oars which we must use equally if we [would] press our way up the stream against the current of unbelief. {FLB 115.6}
The so-called faith that does not work by love and purify the soul will not justify any man. "Ye see," says the apostle, "how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:24. Abraham believed God. How do we know that he believed? His works testified to the character of his faith, and his faith was accounted to him for righteousness. We need the faith of Abraham in our day, to lighten the darkness that gathers around us, shutting out the sweet sunlight of God's love, and dwarfing spiritual growth. Our faith should be prolific of good works; for faith without works is dead. {FLB 115

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164521
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At least some of the Pharisees were blameless outwardly. If we are to "exceed" that level of righteousness, Jesus must not have been talking about our outward compliance. Right?

Last edited by asygo; 04/24/14 05:34 AM.

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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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