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Re: Vitamin B-12, How do we get it? [Re: Alchemy] #183264
04/11/17 09:52 PM
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Maybe the unfermented wine does something so the raw egg won't harm you.

Re: Vitamin B-12, How do we get it? [Re: kland] #183265
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Originally Posted By: kland
Maybe the unfermented wine does something so the raw egg won't harm you.


Originally Posted By: Ellen White
If you are in constant fear that your food will hurt you, it most assuredly will. Forget your troubles; think of something cheerful. {CTBH 101.1}


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Vitamin B-12, How do we get it? [Re: Alchemy] #183266
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Vitamin B-12 isn't an authentic vitamin rather its a group of essential nutrients called Cobalamin and is produced through bacterial fermentation. The vitamin B12 component in B12 supplements and fortified foods is made by bacteria and sourced from bacteria cultures.

Some nutritional yeast products contain vitamin B12. However nutritional yeast food is not a reliable source of B12.

Quite a few non-dairy milks are fortified with B12.

Root vegetables grown in organically fertilized soil tend to have some B12 in their skins.

Some tofu contains B12, obtained during its fermentation, while other tufu does not.

The problem in ascertaining B12 from plant sources is this--

Plants do not make B12 nor use it.
If a plant contains B12 it was made by certain bacteria on the plant.
Thus if the bacteria is present and able to grow, that plant has B12, if the bacteria is not present that plant has no B12.

In reading the studies, we find B12 has been found in the skins of carrots, in mushrooms, in some tofu, etc. However, since no one can say, if you eat x amount of carrots or x amount of mushrooms, you will receive x amount of Vitamin B12, because it depends entirely on whether the necessary bacteria was present to "contaminate" the plant with B12 growth, thus no plant food is listed as being a source for B12. When the bacteria is absent (which is very often the case) so is B12.
And since they can't list any plant as a consistent source the message is that plant foods do not contain B12.

To be sure you get your B12 just put a little B12 tablet under your tongue every morning and let it dissolve there -- best way to absorb it, and then enjoy your plant based breakfast.

Re: Vitamin B-12, How do we get it? [Re: Green Cochoa] #183279
04/13/17 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Is it true that the human body has more than one way to create Vitamin B-12?

Also, if you wait an hour or more after lunch to brush your teeth, will your body be able to make enough B-12?


The human body can no more make vitamin B12 than it can make vitamin C. In fact, no animal makes vitamin B12 so far as we know. It is only produced by bacteria.

Yeast does not produce it. Because some companies marketing yeast as a good source of B-vitamins add a quantity of cyanocobalamin (an almost inabsorbable form of B12) to make it more complete, some people, including some vegans, have wrongly believed that food yeast provides B12. It does not.

Neither does seaweed of any type provide vitamin B12. Some seaweeds do provide a B12 analogue, which, in place of helping us like the real B12 would, occupies the place of B12 in the body without providing the benefits of it. It is much like the difference between CO2 and CO--the first is a relatively harmless waste, while the second is a lethal poison which occupies the place of oxygen in the red blood cells, thus preventing real oxygen from circulating in the blood.

In our bodies, potentially any place harboring bacterial flora might see some production of B12. The primary places for such are the mouth and the colon. Because B12 is not absorbed in the colon, only in the small intestine, none of the bacteria in the colon is understood to provide the body with B12. This generally leaves the plaque on the teeth as the only likely source of beneficial B12 in the body. Scientists have little evidence to support the actual dosage levels of B12 that the plaque might provide--it is more a theoretical source than a proven one. Those who regularly brush, floss, and rinse/spit the washings out likely lose most all of any B12 they might have had, regardless of the time they brushed. Those who choose to scrape and eat their plaque have the highest chance of getting B12 from it.

All of the above speaks only to the issue of the B12 itself. The truth is, without intrinsic factor, no B12 will be absorbed, regardless of how much B12 one manages to consume. It is possible, these days, to purchase pure intrinsic factor for supplementation purposes. It costs an arm and a leg. Many porcine (from pigs) sources of intrinsic factor exist on the market as already combined with B12 and sometimes folate. They are more reasonably priced--but I'm not sure I could stomach something that had originated in a swine's gut!


Bacteria in the human mouth is one such place for B-12 to be formed.

Re: Vitamin B-12, How do we get it? [Re: kland] #183295
04/14/17 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: Ellen White
If you are in constant fear that your food will hurt you, it most assuredly will. Forget your troubles; think of something cheerful. {CTBH 101.1}
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
I know of vegans today who are dying because of it. A young man in his thirties died of brain cancer. A man in his forties died of cancer. These vegans had no resistance to the disease for lack of proper nutrition and stores of B12. If I had to fight cancer, I might very well become vegan until I had beaten it, then I would go back to the lacto-ovo-vegetarianism. During the fight, the animal products might advantage the cancer. But without their nutritional advantages prior to its onset, the body would entirely succumb to the cancer. This is the plain truth. Mrs. White was inspired to tell us that discarding milk and eggs too soon would "afflict" us with DEATH. I've seen it happen. There's no reason a young man in his thirties should die of cancer!

Mrs. White called vegans "extremists." In opposing the concept of veganism, she quotes the Bible verse that says "Let your moderation be known unto all men."
Yep.
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
APL,

You really should check on your B12 levels.
Yep.


Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
We are not told why we should mix eggs with grape juice, only that it will help to make good blood.
Hmmmm..... Any idea why I responded with this?
Originally Posted By: kland
Maybe the unfermented wine does something so the raw egg won't harm you.

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