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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Sinful flesh is not a sentient being. It does not have a conscience. It cannot form character. It cannot sin. It does not need a Saviour. It can only tempt us from within to be unlike Jesus. It is not a sin to be tempted. Which how and why Jesus possessed the likeness of sinful flesh. While I agree with the general form of this statement, what is sin, what is sinful flesh, and what did Jesus come to save us from? EGW: Christ has redeemed us; our very flesh He has saved at an infinite cost, giving His own flesh for the life of the world. {SpM 209.2}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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"Sinful flesh" and "flesh" are too entirely different things. Jesus will not save "sinful flesh". Quite the opposite is true. Jesus will replace it with sinless flesh when He arrives and rewards the righteous. Sinless flesh will not tempt us from within to be unlike Jesus. It will encourage us to live in harmony with the will of God.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Why does EGW say that our very flesh He has saved, at an infinite cost? What makes flesh sinful? Can you tell us?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Sinful flesh is that part of human nature that tempts us from within to be unlike Jesus. Flesh and bone is our body. Jesus earned the right on the cross to save us mind, body, and soul. However, not until He arrives will we receive our new body and sinless flesh. In this lifetime Jesus can empower us from within to grow in grace and to mature daily in the fruits of the Spirit.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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What makes flesh sinful? I do no see your answer to this question.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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It is sinful because it tempts us from within to be unlike Jesus.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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It is sinful because it tempts us from within to be unlike Jesus. How? What is the difference between sinful flesh and the flesh that God created? How does sinful flesh tempt?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Sinful flesh tempts us from within because that's how it works. Sinless flesh will encourage us to do right because that's how it will work. Jesus designed things that way.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
The lower passions have their seat in the body and work through it. The words "flesh" or "fleshly" or "carnal lusts" embrace the lower, corrupt nature; the flesh of itself cannot act contrary to the will of God. {AH 127.2}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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"Crucified" does not mean eliminate. It means to subdue, subject, rein in. It will continue to clamor, to tempt until the day Jesus arrives and replaces it with sinless flesh.
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