This subject is much bigger than the SRod.

However it is their zeal in breaking down Adventist resistance to the idea of a righteous sounding kingdom in present day Jerusalem, that is serious.
The men and women who founded this church moved clear away from the, even then, popular teachings of an earthly temporal kingdom. Are we now to move back into this popular teaching just because it has been slightly modified?

To cast doubts and confusion on our doctrines is now the master plan of the deceiver, and he is using many groups, (I'm not speaking specifically of SR)
If Satan can get us all confused and doubting our beliefs he knows we will follow his powerful deceptions in the future.

The sealing work is a SETTLING INTO TRUTH so we will not be moved.

"Just as soon as the people of God are sealed in their foreheads--it is not any seal or mark that can be seen, but a settling into the truth, both intellectually and spiritually, so they cannot be moved--just as soon as God's people are sealed and prepared for the shaking, it will come. 1MR 249

So the deceiver is now working with great skill to effectively cast doubt and confusion on all our doctrines so there is no settling into truth or sealing and so when the shaking comes we will believe our senses instead of holding fast truth.

If we've been filled with doubts on these matters, we will be sifted out of the truth and into the deceptive kingdom.

All the Reformers were unanimous in one point-- the papacy was antichrist. And their interpretation of these prophecies determined their reforming action. It nerved them to resist the claims of that apostate church to the uttermost. It made them martyrs, it sustained them at the stake.

“So great a hold did the conviction that the Papacy was the Antichrist gain upon the minds of men,
that Rome at last saw she must bestir herself, and try, by putting forth other systems of interpretations, to
counteract the identification of the Papacy with Antichrist.
Learned Jesuits provided these interpretations that removed the eye of prophecy away from the papacy -- futurism being one.

But now Futurism has crept into the Protestant church.

Most Adventists realize that Futurism screens the papacy from view as Antichrist, but what some don't seem to realize is that Futurism also allows the papacy to seen as the "Savior".

Adventist have shied away from seeing the counterfeit kingdom in Jerusalem because Futurism has placed a counterfeit kingdom in Jerusalem saying, since a Future antichrist will appear in Jerusalem, thus the papacy cannot be Antichrist since he is in Rome.

But there are two points overlooked here.
1) The one who has deflected the AntiChrist title from himself, and with his alleys apparently defeats the "supposed" AntiChrist, can then sets himself up as a "Savior".

2) The "king of the North" is no new identity, it represents the papacy -- no deflection of title there, and he subdues the king of the south, and plants his tabernacles on the glorious mount between the seas.

Now the following is how it might all pan out.


Very likely some Muslim extremists will fulfil the futurist concept of Anti Christ, The papacy will arise and urging his alleys to war will over-run and subdue this "antichrist". Then, as the one who "saved" the world from the supposed anti-Christ power, will NOT be perceived as THE antichrist at all, he will be perceived as the "true shepherd of the flock".

Through a lot of awesome signs and wonders, and demons appearing looking like influential people that died years earlier, the spiritual battle to control over people's conscience will reach heights hither to unknown. This will be compounded with the appearance of a glorious, radiant being, looking and seemingly acting like Christ. And the whole world will shout, "Christ has come, Christ has come, and the whole world will worship the dragon and the beast.

Ded- But first the scripture:
Where does scripture say the "side of the north" is located?

Psalms 48:2 “Beautiful in elevation, The joy of the whole earth, Is Mount Zion on the sides of the north, The city of the great King.”

I don't disagree that this reference is clear, calling the sides of the north- Mt. Zion, Israel. What I am disagreeing with is you using it to promote a false idea that Satan set's up his kingdom in Israel in the last day (Loud Cry period).

***** STAFF EDIT ***** But I have said many times--the TRUTH wins out.

Ded-Satan says:
Is. 14:13 I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Yes, in heaven he aspired to sit on the heavenly Mt. Zion, in the "heavenly sides of the north".

That is correct. And guess what? That is the only interpretation all of Inspiration gives for the meaning of Isaiah 14:13-14.

I have asked you to give us a Inspired statement showing this reference points to Satan setting up his kingdom in Israel in the last days. Of course you ignore that, and pulls quotes from here and there to support "your" idea. Don't worry there is much more to come to expose your private interpretations as just that--private.

One thing to note. Notice I keep referring to the fact that nowhere in Inspiration can we find that It tells us of a Satan kingdom in ISRAEL the last days. Now, the "last days" are understood to be the Loud Cry period , post Church purification

The reason I say that is that Satan has indeed been in control of Jerusalem for a long time. He's used the ungodly and unconverted, heathen and Jews to control God's precious land for a long long time.

But the change comes when Ezekiel 9 church judgment comes and that is when he is shortly thereafter--BOOTED out of there and as the old adage goes, "And the saints go marching in".

This is the prophesied time of Rev. 12, when the "dragon" goes after the woman (church) AFTER the Lord (via the symbolic opening the earth-) cleans His church, to get them ready for His full pouring out His Spirit for the Loud Cry.

Ded- The same will be in the end --
A counterfeit king, a counterfeit kingdom, and to make it seem like the real thing, it will be in what the Bible describes as the "sides of the north" "between the seas on the glorious mountain". (The right place, at the WRONG TIME)

Daniel 11 is an historical account of literal kings and places. Persian kings, Alexander the Great, the Seleucid and Ptolemy kings, the Romans, the Papacy and all their wars etc.
Thus it only makes sense that the last verses are also literal wars. The king of the North is the Papal confederacy.

I've underlined her error statement to show how it goes against SOP, as follows.

Instead of shooting forth private ideas, let's look at SOP, brought to us by brother Houteff--

Question: Does Brother Houteff have any light on who the "king of the north" or the "king of the south" represent?

Answer: The answer to the above question is found in "A Word to the Little Flock," one of the earliest S.D.A. publications, in which Sister White says: "I saw all that 'would not receive the mark of the Beast, and of his Image, in their foreheads or in their hands, could not buy or sell. I saw that the number (666) of the Image Beast was made up'." -- p. 19. "Michael is to stand up at the time that the last power in chap. 11, comes to his end, and none to help him. This power...is brought to view in Rev. 13:11-18. His number is 666." -- pp. 8, 9.

The above explains that the two-horned beast is the one to whom the number 666 belongs; and that this beast, of "Revelation 13:11-18," and the "King of the North" of Daniel 11:45, are the same power. Therefore, the nation represented by this particular beast, and the "King of the North," or the "man" who is to be the head king -- of that nation in the time when this "image beast" (the two-horned) enforces the worship of "his image," whose image is nothing less than the thing he made, are to make a likeness of the religio-political system of the "beast before him" (the leopard-like of Revelation 13:1-10); that is, a likeness of the papal system in the period before the leopard-like beast received his deadly wound.

***** STAFF EDIT *****

I only pit EGW's words against Houteff's words.

Also the quote from "WLF" has some problems.
Like -- the (666) in parenthesis was inserted in EGW's sentence by Bro Bates who published the first rendition.
When the vision was republished in her books, she never again used it.

And the sentences from pages 8 and 9 were from James White's article in the same paper, not from EGW.

To continue with the counterfeit kingdom, I would like to share the process that we have come to understand the last verses of Daniel 11.

For many, many years, it has been obvious that this chapter is an unscrolling of history. The first half was fairly easy to understand, but the second half took a lot of study, prayer, and discussion, weighing a lot of material, seeking truth.

Starting with the early Adventist view.
The early Adventists interpreted all of Daniel eleven in a very literal way.
Uriah Smith was quite certain that the king of the North was the Muslim Turks. Due to the wars in the 1870's he had the people quite convinced that Christ's coming was near.
But there was a major problem here, which James White pointed out on several occasions -- and that was the lack of consistency regarding the last power in each of Daniel's visions. If the horn in Daniel 7 is the papacy, and the horn in Daniel 8 is the papacy, then the King of the North is also the papacy.

His argument made sense, for not only is it consistent with the rest of Daniel's visions, it is also consistent with the prophetic picture in EGW's visions. (The papacy with it's Protestant allies is the last power)

Another point that seemed inconsistent was that U.Smith's view seemed to turn the map upside down. South seemed to be north, and north seemed to be south.

Years later we have Louis Were writing extensively on Daniel 11. He sees the king of the North as the Papacy, and develops many great insights into the spiritual last battle, but in doing so, he:
1) Writes considerable to down grade U.Smith.
2) Totally switches from literal kings, places and battles, in the first verses of Daniel eleven, to symbolically interpreting the last few verses.

It didn't seem consistent, for U.Smith must have had SOME truth or God would have revealed the error to EGW. Instead she cautioned against raising controversy over the interpretations, and even highly recommended Smith's book. Also many were not totally comfortable that a fairly literal vision should suddenly become symbolic in the last verses.

What started putting the pieces of the puzzle in place was seeing a map of the Mediterranean area during the middle ages.
A picture is worth a thousand words!!!!
There, as obvious as day and night, was the picture of the "northern" Christian territories, (stretching from England to Asia Minor, north of the Mediterranean) and the "southern" Muslim territories (stretching from Spain, all along the African Coast and into Middle East). The lands north of the Mediterranean under Christian control, the lands south of the Mediterranean under Islamic control.

So now apply that obvious reality, that throughout Christian history from years 600 onward these two religious powers fought one against the other, with God's true followers in the middle, to Daniel eleven.

U. Smith had truth in seeing the muslims playing a role in the end times, and in having a more literal interpretation.
James White had truth in declaring the King of the North refers to the papal confederation
Louis Were had truth in declaring the spiritual battle the King of the North would wage against God's people.

But the pieces of the puzzle didn't come together right away.

What about America?
America is the "power" -- the super nation with all the arms to bring it about. The papacy throughout history used the civil power of the kings and nations. Rev. 13 tells us in the last days that nation which enables the final healing of the wounded beast will be America.
Once Papal Rome has America under her influence, America will "cause everyone to worship the beast" Protestant America will create a likeness to the beast, and do miracles in the sight of the beast.
Revelation 13 makes it plain who will be the army supporting the papacy in the last days. America is the "military might" of the last days.

Now consider -- America is pictured as a "beast" (symbol of a nation) in Rev. 13, but in all the succeeding chapters America is pictured as the "false prophet" working beside the papal beast.
What significance does this "false prophet" label have?

Protestant America has almost fully left the historicist interpretation of prophecy and embraced the Futurist interpretations. But this goes far beyond simple "belief", this goes into political activities. And those prophetic based activities are centered in Palestine.

America pours more money into Israel than any other nation.
It is Protestant America that is agitating for a temple to be built etc.

For America to be called the "false prophet" we need to conclude that her interpretation of prophecy will play a major role in the last day deception.

TO CONTINUE

11.40
And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

As mentioned earlier, the Moslems took over the realm of the king of the south back in the 600's A.D.
The Moslems will push--
The world is expecting an "antichrist" and the media is directing the focus of the people towards the Moslems. Radical Muslims are providing ammunition for this focus, and what's even more revealing is how the pope is using the reports of violence to gather supporters (uniting to fight the evil).

The Bible has clearly predicted a "beast" "anti-christ" in the time of the end. To deceive the world into accepting the real antichrist A COUNTERFEIT ANTI-CHRIST must draw attention away from the real Anti-Christ--

Not just the Protestants (who have basically accepted the Jesuit interpretation of prophecy) but also the Catholics teach about an antichrist

The Catholic Book discussing the prophecies of "Mary" predicts a Moslem antichrist--(Thunder of Justice pages 342,343)

"There will be a World War III and it will be started by a man who wears the turban of the faith, a Moslem. Yet there is a more powerful one to rise in Syria, when this one has accomplished his work. He will cause destruction and pain and great persecution. The red will flow into the sea . . .There will be nothing to eat . . .The Antichrist is going to arise from the Mohammedan race, a Moslem. He is going to have a turban. The people will call it, "the eye of Satan." He will be young. . .wearing a long robe. He will be very intelligent and well equipped for nuclear war. . .worse than Hitler, connected with communists. . .Fire rockets at us some will hit New York City."

HOWEVER the whole middle east focus is merely a smoke screen and stepping stone for the real antichrist to achieve his ends.

The "king of the north" is the papacy, YET his army, which comes in like a whirlwind, with chariots and with many ships;, will be mainly the military might of the United States.

As we pointed out in our last post -- the papacy relies upon the armies of other nations.

In the battles that will rage, the world will think they are fighting against the anti-christ. All types of "war measures" will be imposed in North America in the name of "fighting the anti-christ". Yes, America will lose her freedoms -- "in the name of fighting terrorism and the antichrist-- and returning the nation back to God"

BUT THE MOSLEMS are not the anti-christ. All they do is PUSH---
and this gives the Papacy and their "army" the USA, (the image of the beast) the excuse to launch a whirlwind of activity and enter into the countries and impose a new order of things by which they will "force the whole world to worship the beast. (Rev. 13:12) The IMAGE OF THE BEAST will be convincing the world they are fighting the "anti-christ" and all the while it is a manoeuver to get the REAL antichrist set up to rule the world.

11.41
He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon 11.42
He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
11.43
But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps

The resisting Moslem nations will be overthrown, those who go along with the new program will be allowed to keep their distinction as a nation.

Many Moslems countries will lose their sovereignty and have their resources (oil) plundered. All this clearly foretells that the Moslems (though they will push and cause trouble) will NOT be the final threat—they will be overrun and subdued.

While many will look to the papacy in admiration. This is already happening. What with the ISIS problems, the pope goes over there and talks a lot of peace and goodwill and uniting against evil -- and everyone thinks he is great.

11.44
But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy and utterly to make away many.

Subduing the Moslems is only the excuse to take action in the plan of gaining control of the whole world and bringing it under the papal New Order.

Tidings out of the east and north--
Could this be the angel of Revelation 18:1 representing God's people giving the last warning message to the world calling out with a mighty voice against "Babylon" which the king of the North is trying to establish? This angel symbolizes the swelling of the Three Angels’ Message of Rev. 14, into a "loud cry"! These messages will be preached with the power of the latter rain, leading people to desert the ranks of the beast. [Frustrating the king of the North]

Many will resist this implementation of the New World Order and with great fury the "image of the beast" will go forth to utterly do away with many.

It will plunge the world into a terrible ruin. The ensuing wrenching trouble will be blamed on those who refuse to acknowledge the Pope's supremacy and commandments, and to venerate the "Lord's Day" the day of the venerable day of the sun. The hand of force will be applied to subdue all resistance to the new form of authority.

(see "Thunder of Justice" pages 101-102 which implies the following thoughts)
◦1. You will be accused of siding with the antichrist if you refuse to acknowledge the pope's authority as the representative of Christ, and be accused of thus fighting against Christ's divine and royal dominion
◦2. You will be accused of siding with the antichrist if you refuse to accept the traditions (SUNDAY) of the church as God's law which must be obeyed to regain God's favor.
◦3. You will be accused of siding with the antichrist if you refuse to accept the unity of the christian movement to restore "Christianity" with the "true pope" as the "primacy" and guardian of the disposition of faith. Thus you will be accused of being a "propagator of error"
◦4. Those who resist this union to "drive out antichrist" will be declared as acting autonomous and independently of God in ordering own activities. Because of their belief that people were given reasoning power to decide for themselves what is right and wrong, truth and error, they will be declared as unco-operative.
◦5. To believe in religious freedom outside of the recognized acceptable religious churches will mean being accused of siding with the antichrist.
◦6. If you believe it is wrong to legislate moral issues ( then you will not only be accused of being with the antichrist, but you will be accused of promoting pornography, homosexuality, abortion and all manner of sinful lifestyles
◦7. If you refuse to support the "Christian movement" to restore Christianity, you will be accused of being a victim of hedonism because you make self the center of your actions if you continue to believe and maintain that religion is a matter between the individual self and God rather than submission to the church.

"Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption, and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth. Their conscientious scruples will be pronounced obstinacy, stubbornness, and contempt of authority. They will be accused of disaffection toward the government. Ministers who deny the obligation of the divine law will present from the pulpit the duty of yielding obedience to the civil authorities as ordained of God. In legislative halls and courts of justice, commandment keepers will be misrepresented and condemned. A false coloring will be given to their words; the worst construction will be put upon their motives."

11.45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Isaiah 14:13 Lucifer says,
“I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the far sides of the north, I will be like the most High.
The Christ that comes to the "tabernacle" established by these powers will be none other than Satan himself. He is that eighth head of the beast that supports the scarlet woman, the eighth head is not really another “head” it is the beast itself (Rev. 17:11)
Again, as we see popular interpretations, the people are waiting for a Christ that comes to reign in old Jerusalem. The “push” from the king of the south, will have convinced the world that the antichrist has come and been defeated, and so the real antichrist could gain control. And now the antichrist, prepares the world to receive what looks like the glorious Christ, but it will be Satan, pretending to be Christ. As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ.

Only those who have been diligent students of the Scriptures and who have received the love of the truth will be shielded from the powerful delusion that takes the world captive.

Dedication continues to point to Isiah 14:13-14 as meaning Satan will set up his kingdom in Israel in the time of the Loud Cry. Where is the Inspired writings that show this Scripture shows what you claim it shows?

Additionally, we can show you that Daniel 11:45 does not mean the time during the Loud Cry, which you try and point is the time Satan sets up his kingdom in Israel. He will NOT set up any kingdom in Israel during the Loud Cry. Inspiration is solid on this point!

We all understand that we as fallible humans can search and piece together nearly any belief or stand we want to make, by pulling quotes from here and there and adding them together.But again, this is forbidden in Scripture--'Private Interpretations".(2 Peter 1:20)

But solid truthful views and understandings of end time events are based on INSPIRED REFERENCES --not private interpretations with no backing of Inspiration to support it.Your interpretation of Isaiah 14:13-14 is a perfect example of that.

The true understanding of the long held mystical Rev 17:11.

Ded- He is that eighth head of the beast that supports the scarlet woman, the eighth head is not really another “head” it is the beast itself (Rev. 17:11)

To understand the "eighth" we see the following--

Revelation 17:11, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." To unmask the apparent mystery, all that is necessary, is to count the prophetic beasts representing periods and nations. Beginning with the first beast and as we close with the last, he must be "the eighth" and "yet of the seven."

The lion (Babylon) is the first,

The bear (Medo-Persia) is the second,

The four-headed leopard (Grecia) is the third,

The non-descript (Rome) is the fourth,

The leopard-like (from the fall of Rome to 1929) is the fifth,

The one with the lamb-like horns (United States) is the sixth,

The scarlet colored (from 1929 to the end of this present world) is the seventh,

The same "scarlet colored" that shall ascend from the bottomless pit and go into perdition (from the resurrection of the wicked to their second death), is the eighth: "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

He is the eighth, "but is" of the seven," because "He was and is not, and yet is." That is, the scarlet colored beast appears on the stage of action the second time (first, prior to the millennium and second, after the millennium, by the second resurrection).

Therefore, he is the eighth, but is of the seven: "And goeth into perdition" (the second death of the wicked). Simple as it is, yet most perfect, it tells the truth and corrects error. Here we see another set of numbers including the entire chain of beasts.
(SRod, vol. 2, p.118-119)

From the very beginning it was Satan's plan to establish a world kingdom through which he would control people, using them for his own evil purposes and then destroying them.

Pre-flood he nearly succeeded, then the world was cleansed by a flood -- but human nature was not changed -- it wasn't long till Nimrod sought to establish a "world government" but God stepped in and scattered them by changing their languages.

Globalization and control of the money situation are key to causing all the world to wonder after the beast and worship the dragon and the beast.

The Papacy is seeking to be "head" in world affairs. Protestant America is becoming very open in their willingness to unite with the papacy.
The words "The world is a global village" are becoming rather common.

Satan sets up his kingdom by fraud and usurpation, and he maintains it by force. Satan will personate people and he will personate Christ. He is already personating Mary, and directing the papacy through her messages.

"As the second appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ draws near, satanic agencies are moved from beneath. Not only will Satan appear as a human being, but he will personate Jesus Christ, and the world who has rejected the truth will receive him as the Lord of lords and the King of kings. He will exercise his power and work upon human imagination. He will corrupt both the minds and the bodies of people, and will work through the children of disobedience, fascinating and charming, as does a serpent. {CTr 274.4}

You can be sure Satan, like a great commanding general who studies out his war strategies long in advance, has planned his strategies centuries ago.

Whether you believe it or not, it is scriptural that Satan's aim is to sit on the Mount of God. He is cast out of heaven, thus he will seek the mount where God Himself dwelt with His people.

Which mount could that be --
The one where Abraham was willing to offer Isaac
The city that stood as capital of God's people for centuries.
Where the temple was built.
Where Christ died and rose again
Where the Christian church was birthed and spread out to the world.
Where the New Jerusalem will someday descend, and God's throne will be established.

To counterfeit something one makes it look as close to the real as possible.

"He will plant his tabernacles on the glorious mount between the seas." Daniel 11:44

Why that place?
Because to set up what appears to be a kingdom of righteousness to solve the world's problems and pretend to be bringing in God's kingdom, would be most deceptive in that place.

I mean -- just type in JERUSALEM and KINGDOM in the internet search engines and what comes up? The Christian world IS expecting (they have been programmed) to expect a temporal kingdom in Jerusalem that will eventually convert the world.
Yes, they expect an "antichrist" as well, but following him being driven out, they expect a righteous kingdom.

But its still a kingdom of the flesh.
Kingdoms of the flesh will never be free of suffering, sin and trouble.
Even IF the founders were righteous, by the time they brought in a dozen or more new converts the seeds of disunity would already be brewing. Yet GLL made a statement that most of Babylon would end up in the kingdom --

That's probably more right than the person who wrote that realizes -- because it will be Babylon. But it won't last long for it will come to its end

The only "kingdom" of peace and safety is the kingdom of grace, which is something that happens INSIDE the person who walks in humble faith with their Savior.

And they will be invited to enter the true city of inheritance -- the New Jerusalem.

Take careful note how she failed to address the following. Why? because it exposes her false idea that "the eighth head is not really another “head” it is the beast itself (Rev. 17:11)

To understand the "eighth" we see the following--

Revelation 17:11, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." To unmask the apparent mystery, all that is necessary, is to count the prophetic beasts representing periods and nations. Beginning with the first beast and as we close with the last, he must be "the eighth" and "yet of the seven."

The lion (Babylon) is the first,

The bear (Medo-Persia) is the second,

The four-headed leopard (Grecia) is the third,

The non-descript (Rome) is the fourth,

The leopard-like (from the fall of Rome to 1929) is the fifth,

The one with the lamb-like horns (United States) is the sixth,

The scarlet colored (from 1929 to the end of this present world) is the seventh,

The same "scarlet colored" that shall ascend from the bottomless pit and go into perdition (from the resurrection of the wicked to their second death), is the eighth: "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

He is the eighth, "but is" of the seven," because "He was and is not, and yet is." That is, the scarlet colored beast appears on the stage of action the second time (first, prior to the millennium and second, after the millennium, by the second resurrection).

Therefore, he is the eighth, but is of the seven: "And goeth into perdition" (the second death of the wicked). Simple as it is, yet most perfect, it tells the truth and corrects error. Here we see another set of numbers including the entire chain of beasts.
(SRod, vol. 2, p.118-119)

For those who would like to see who the scarlet colored beast(seventh/eighth beast) is, please see this report--
Scarlet colored beast