Ded- Are these SRod interpretations leading me to the Bible and to Christ, or are they trying to lead me to Houteff?

Counsel advises-

Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightenment. Yet, when a view of Scripture is presented, many do not ask, Is it true--in harmony with God's word? but, By whom is it advocated? and unless it comes through the very channel that pleases them, they do not accept it.

So thoroughly satisfied are they with their own ideas that they will not examine the Scripture evidence with a desire to learn, but refuse to be interested, merely because of their prejudices.(TM, p.105-106)


Ded-But Satan, in his final attempt to receive worship as if he were God, will attempt to set up a righteous sounding kingdom in Palestine

While it's useless to continue to go round and round with you on Scripture to point out the pre-Mil kingdom, could you provide Inspiration for this idea of Satan's kingdom in Palestine?

Ded- The timing of the special resurrection mentioned in Daniel 12:1
This resurrection takes place during seventh last plague well after probation has closed for the whole world and God steps in to deliver His people.
SRod place it before the LOUD CRY and maintain that the dead are raised to help in this work.

We've done a thorough study on this, no use to help you here, but for others please see our post -- Special Resurrection

Ded-Yes, after reading that I did write on the "counterfeit kingdom" thread, that such a depiction convinces me that SRod followers may well take things in their own hands.

GLL now presents those words as if I said it was definite that they would, but that was not the case.

One must be either blind or , purposely ignorant, or deceitful to think that the post shows 'people" will rise up and do killing. What part of 'angels" do you not understand? You try to continually twist things, which is so clear to those who watch your story line.

So now you are back tracking? Actually for your own soul's sake I would hope so.

Ded-. I asked GLL, what a SRod follower would do if a being, that looked like Houteff, talked like Houteff, and shared experiences unique to Houteff, appeared and told them it was God's will to do the cleansing, just as God had commanded Joshua of old? What would they do?

Sorry, but honestly?? I mean I am chuckling at a) your non-sense hypothetical a) your lack of understanding the Lord's Rod.

But to go along with your idea-- First any "Rod" believer knows the Rod and what it teaches. It does not say that "man" or any human being will EVER do any "cleansing" in future. So if someone would come and pretend to be V.T. Houteff (even if it appears to be some type of resurrection) and say something like "go kill people to clean the church" they'd know it was Satan , not Houteff speaking.

The prophetess explains in Testimonies vol. 7, under the chapter called 'Acceptable Service" how her work is all about "soul saving". She writes "Your work, my work, will not cease with this life. For a little while we may rest in the grave, but when the call comes, we shall, in the kingdom of God, take up the work once more."

Now anyone who knows how to read "context' can clearly see that her work of 'soul saving" shall continue "when the call comes" in "the kingdom". Of course Dedication will spin this, but it's clear as crystal.

Further in Daniel 12:2-3 we read--

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

Brethren, those righteous that are resurrected here, will do something. They "turn many to righteousness." Now, will there be a need to turn souls to righteousness in heaven? Or will there be a need while in probationary time?

The wicked shall include the evil soldiers who mocked and agonized the King.

This is the "Special Resurrection" that serves the Lord's purpose. Check out our post link we showed above.

Not an answer to my question.

If the "channel" is not leading us to Christ and the Bible but is using prophetic writings to draw disciples after himself, then indeed we need to BEWARE!!!!

When we ask "is it true" and find it is not -- then it is imperative we not place that "channel" between us and Biblical truth.


ACTS 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

This is Zechariah 4

But you say Houteff's study tells us we must not go directly to the "trees" HOLY SCRIPTURE to find truth?

Yet we are told:

" False doctrines will sap the foundations of many, because they have not learned to discern truth from error. Our only safeguard against the wiles of Satan is to diligently study the Scriptures; to have an intelligent understanding of the reasons of our faith; Maranatha Chpt. 87

Yes, it does seem to work that way.

I remember reading about Martin Luther, who (along with the other reformers) was linking the papacy with the little horn of Daniel and the harlot of Revelation 17. Yet Luther had some problems with understanding the book of Revelation. Then the counter-reformation Jesuits (like Alcasar and Ribera) who wrote commentaries on Revelation to get the finger pointing away from the papacy, presented themselves (and the Catholic church) as the true defenders of the prophecies.

GLL writes: "First any "Rod" believer knows the Rod and what it teaches. It does not say that "man" or any human being will EVER do any "cleansing" in future."



However, the scriptures, as well as EGW does say there will be an attempted "cleansing" by people-- though for wrong reasons. Also the new age prophets that predict the coming of the "masters" (which will be none other than fallen angels personating people) to supposedly help the world advance to higher spiritual levels, state that all opposers must die.

HOWEVER that attempted "cleansing" will be a "cleansing" in reverse, trying to get rid of the opposition in the supposed earthly restoration of peace, by putting to death Christ's true followers who are opposed to it.

Hopefully your group will stick to your statement -- though there are SRod groups who are not so sure. And you gave a classic formula by which it could be done.

As to "angels" --
Prophecy gives many meanings to the word "angels".
For one -- angels are pictured as giving the three angels messages. What does "angels" mean there?

The "angels" of the seven churches to whom John addresses his letters -- who are the seven angels there?

Lastly, when EGW does give her depiction of the last verses of Ezekiel nine, even though she says "the angel goes forth" she describes the scene as people turning on each other (see GC 656)

I have already given Dedication many many SOP quotes showing that "angels" do God's work of Ezek. 9, what good would it be to give them again??

"When their questions have been fairly answered, they will turn the subject and bring up another point to avoid acknowledging the truth."
(TM. p.108-109)

Ded- As to "angels" --
Prophecy gives many meanings to the word "angels".
For one -- angels are pictured as giving the three angels messages. What does "angels" mean there?

The "angels" of the seven churches to whom John addresses his letters -- who are the seven angels there?

Does it really matter ? If I give you a sensible true answer you'll overlook it and deny it like you have from the beginning since i joined this site. Your prejudices have got you stymied.There are excellent answers but it'll be a waste if you'll not acknowledge them.

"Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightenment." (Testimonies to Ministers, p.105-106)

Of course it matters.
The obvious answer is that those "angels" refer to PEOPLE.

Which I'm sure you realize.

The issue is this -- in trying to support this "wrong-time frame" for the latter part of Ezek. 9 --

Quotations are used that speak of "cleansing" which obviously refer to people being cleansed FROM their sin, but the quotes are used as if they support the wrong time frame for Ezek 9.

Quotations are used that speak of the "shaking" and "sifting" and "testing" time which will be a terrible ordeal, when the members of the church will be brought to a point of decision where they either have to throw their full weight on God's side, or they (many who are ungrounded and careless) leave the truth and join the popular movements -- but those quotes are used to again support this misplaced Ezekiel prediction instead of what the quotes are really saying.

Quotations where EGW clearly links the latter part of Ez.9 to the general destruction, and in GC 656 describes it as taking place during the seventh plague, are dismissed, or explained away.


The fact that angels are very much involved in everything that happens in the outworking of the Great Controversy does not mean they work independently of people --

Granted you most likely believe what you write,
but I see a lot of problems with some of those beliefs.

So what would this mean:

Notice she omits what I meant by "does it matter?"

Here's the rest--(This was given in response to her asking who the 7 angels were).

"If I give you a sensible true answer you'll overlook it and deny
it like you have from the beginning since i joined this site. Your prejudices have got you stymied.There are excellent answers but it'll be a waste if you'll not acknowledge them."

"Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightenment." (Testimonies to Ministers, p.105-106)

When the sealing is complete probation closes.

When is the solemn declaration "It is Done" made?
Rev. 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

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