Careful Dedication - you are straying very close to what I have been saying for a long time!

The situation is --
I don't agree with either side!
Not agreed with your view of the atonement
Not agreed with the other sides picture of God.
There is another understanding.

God did not create thorns. He permitted Satan to tweak nature and thorns resulted. However, thorns are not self-acting. Neither is Satan the source of their existence or power to grow and act. Jesus supplies the power to exist, to grow, and to act.

Jesus must act and work to supply the life and power for nature to exist, to grow, and to act. The laws of nature are not the source of its existence, or its power to grow or to act. For example, fire and flood and tornadoes and hurricanes, etc do not act of its own accord. Jesus must act and work for them to act the way they do. Even when Jesus permits evil angels to use them as weapons of destruction - Jesus must act and work for them to act the way they do. Wind would not flow and generate tornadoes and hurricanes without Jesus acting and working to make it possible for them to act that way. Evil angels are not their source of life or power to act the way they do.

So Jesus wants tornadoes and hurricanes and rape?

This thread wasn't meant to simple be a place to repeat the same pictures as have been presented over and over again on this forum,

Think of the pictures presented over and over again -- what picture of God is being presented??? Are the words written meant to draw anyone to God??? or to drive people away from God????

I don't understand why any Christian would want to paint a picture of a God who is responsible for all the bad things that happen?
For that is the picture that Satan wants us to present of God.

But it is Satan that is the one responsible.




That is exactly the charge against God that Satan makes--
Since God is the author of life it is reasoned, therefore, God is the one responsible for all evil.

It's a charge we hear over and over again from unbelievers who want nothing to do with God.

Is this what some Adventists believe?

God's law.

God is sovereign of the universe. The One Who created and sustains all things.
I think we all agree on that point?

In order for any sovereign or "king" to rule and govern a harmonious and well flowing system and society there must be laws. In the case of God these laws are very important for they hold the balance of all things in a "well oiled" smooth running situation.

Rebellion against the laws of a sovereign king is called "treason". It is the attempt to overthrow the ruling King. Treason carries the death sentence.

That is also a law -- it is high treason to flout and transgress God's law, for it is the attempt to overthrow His position as Sovereign and King of the universe. The penalty for doing so is the loss of life.

Therefore -- when God's laws were challenged and transgressed, it was treason, the transgressors saying "We don't want God to rule over us. Let us overthrow His throne."

By the right of justice and law
God could have removed life from the rebels then and there.
For it is true there is NO LIFE apart from God, He is the author and source of life. To turn away from God is to turn away from life.


BUT WHAT WOULD HAVE RESULTED?

God's created beings would have served Him because of FEAR.
Indeed, they would think -- better obey or God will kill you.

God does not desire the worship generated by fear, He desires the worship freely given because love and trust and joy in His ways are fully realized.


PLAN

1. The penalty of treason would be assumed by the ONE Who created all things and without Him was nothing created. He would stand as surety for the human race.

2. Man kind would be given a measure of life, a temporary justification, in which they could choose to accept God's gifts of justification and renewal into God's image and enjoy everlasting life with their Creator and Savior, or choose to join the rebellious crowd who fight against God's law and establish for themselves the charge of treason against God's kingdom of life.

3. Sin (the transgression of God's laws, both moral and physical laws) would be allowed as a witness to the universe what transgression of God's laws is like.
So yes, God does give life -- but He is NOT the author of the evil and trouble that sin has brought. That results because God's laws have been transgressed, tampered with, mutilated, ignored, etc. and the forces meant for life are used to bring death and destruction.


CONCLUSION

Yes, there is a judgment when all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Those who believe in God's goodness and holiness, and accepted Christ and all He seeks to do in our lives will receive everlasting life.

Those who chose the road of treason, will reap the penalty for treason, but only after it has been exclusively demonstrated that only God's laws are the way of life and harmony.
God does not seek obedience in the ways of a tyrant, but in the way of a God Who will give all to save people from sin and death. Only after it has been determined beyond a shadow of any doubt that God is love and good and His laws are the very fiber of goodness, and harmony, and transgression is ruin, will sin and those who cling to sin be eternally blotted out.

In the everlasting kingdom, no one will serve HIM because of fear, but out of a heart overflowing with thankfulness and love for his matchless gift of salvation from sin, and His goodness and righteousness.

YES - unfortunately...

You haven't shared anything here that APL hasn't already shared elsewhere. He does an awesome job of presenting Jesus as the restorer and Satan as the destroyer.

Perhaps I missed your point, your picture of Jesus? What have you shared here that APL hasn't already shared elsewhere?

Nobody here has said such a thing. Why do you ask?