Gay marriage is worse than the institution of slavery in the United States? Is 9/11 worse than Hiroshima? Daniel 11 gives us a guidepost from which we can know what is happening in the Heavenly Sanctuary, and today Adventists reject it.

No, I'm not going to read these books. I want you to explain what you believe and why! You asked me to explain my beliefs and I did so. If you can't do that, then you are not understanding Daniel 11 and you should just say so.

I disagree with Brother U. Smith and others who believe it's not types and anti-types.

Blessings APL,

What is it about the Heavenly Sanctuary that Adventists have rejected?

In the context of this thread, it is the event that is to be a guidepost to what is happening in the Heavenly Sanctuary. Read Haskell.

On a type/anti-type, it is how God deals with sinners and what sin does.

It is obvious that events in heaven correlate with events that are transpiring on earth, But since we cannot see what is happening in Heaven, we need to watch what is happening on earth that we can see.

To focus on Heaven to the extent that we miss the signs of the times on earth may be like the antediluvians missing the warnings about the flood.

I guess I'm having a hard time that to know that the supreme court was going to hear about homosexuals, to know that they were having this hearing in June, and to know how several many states support homosexuals, and then to make up something that says you predicted something would happen in June makes you a prophet?

Really? You expect us to be in awe?

Well 10 years ago I could have predicted something abominable was going to happen by July 1st of this year. All you have to do is look at the laws which go into effect, pick a choice one which you don't like, call it an abomination, pat yourself on the back.

Sorry. Not buying it. And yes, I know you'll say I'm refusing to listen to "prophecy". Made up non-prophecy.


Hows this for homosexual abomination. And Published June 30th!
“Mutant fish” with giant tumor growing from head caught near Three Mile Island — Officials: “Unrecognizable pathogen” detected in species, “this is very, very serious” — Lesions found at alarming rate — Almost 70% of males have female eggs in testicles

They could say, see, it's a sign.
But:

A high percentage of fish in the river have sex signs of both male and female. That’s not natural.

My point exactly! And God has given us a guidepost to look for.

"I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth. . . . And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God; and he cried . . . saying, Hurt not the earth . . . till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." These angels now hold the winds of strife, waiting for the church of God to prepare for his coming. The sealing angel goes through Jerusalem (the church) to place the seal of the living God on the foreheads of the faithful, and while this work goes forward, Turkey [radical Islam? ISIS?] stands as a national guidepost to the world, that men may know what is going on in the sanctuary above. {1901 SNH, SDP 248.1}

God's eye is upon his people, and he never leaves himself without a witness in the world. No man knows when Turkey will take its departure from Europe, but when that move is made, earth's history will be short. Then it will be said, "He that is unjust let him be unjust still, . . . and he that is righteous let him be righteous still." To-day is "the day of preparation." The fate of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome is recorded for the edification of the nations of to-day, and the lessons taught by all center in the events just before us. While the world watches Turkey, let the servant of God watch the movements of his great High Priest, whose ministry for sin is almost over. {1901 SNH, SDP 248.2}

To focus on the SCOTUS and gay marriage is not what is spoken about in Daniel 11. Is Gay sex worse than heterosex? Are we dealing with sex out of marriage in the church? No. Why? It is rampant and has been going on for a long time.

The large Turkish city, Istanbul, is north of Bosperous and therefore in Europe.

Turkey has for years been applying for membership in the European Union without fulfilling all of the requirements. Therefore membership has not been granted.

It seems like many Turks prefer the Muslim world, but right now the Turkish government permits the Turkish Kurds to fight the Islamic State.

So when will this happen?

The journey of Israel from Egyptian bondage to the promise land is not unlike our journey.

Israel left Egypt with great wealth, Laodicea has great wealth on the eve of Christ's Coming.

Israel stumbled at Baalpeor as they headed to the Promised Land, we are dealing with sexual issues now like never before.

When Israel stood on the border of the Promised Land 10 spies gave an evil report that discouraged Israel from entering at God's bidding, and as Christ's Coming nears: SDA's give an evil report and refuse to look at the very things in Daniel that are of eternal importance because they are so sure of their prophetic correctness that they HAVE NEED OF NOTHING.

His Child, it wasn't June that there's an abomination, but in March!

http://www.adventist.org/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/0/immunization/
March 02, 2015

The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being. The Adventist health emphasis is based on biblical revelation, the inspired writing of E.G. White (co-founder of the Church), and on peer-reviewed scientific literature. As such, we encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of “herd immunity.”

We are not the conscience of the individual church member, and recognize individual choices. These are exercised by the individual. The choice not to be immunized is not and should not be seen as the dogma nor the doctrine of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Not only does this show the church against health, but against science. Herd immunity is not science based, but a recent fabrication to promote harm to health. Injecting molecules from various species of animals directly into your body is not healthy. Notice they talk about peer-reviewed literature, but list none, because there is none supporting herd immunity nor is there any showing vaccines prevent disease.

This is nothing but an abomination of the church which will cause harm to members as they resist!