Are the Trumpets warnings? What good are warnings if it is too late to head them? What is the reasoning for having the trumpets sound "after probation closes" rather than "before probation closes"?

Do you have a reference for your after statement?

If that were so, what would you have as the first trumpet?

When do you think they will begin to sound?

Hey Will,



An angel is a messenger. This angel messenger sounds when it blows the second trumpet. In Ezekiel 33:4-5, trumpets warn the people of impending danger. When this messenger sounds its warning, a great mountain burning with fire is cast into the sea. Strong defines great: prepared on a grand scale. Mountain from an obsolete root (oro) means: to rise up or rear as a mountain rises to its peak and goes down on the other side. The gist of the symbolism may be: to go up and come down. And oro can be further traced to a root meaning a fowl. Burning with fire tells how the grand mountain falls in a brilliant blaze. The blood would be literal if fossil fuel is from the mass graves of men and animals as coal is from ancient forests. The BP oil blow-out in the Gulf of Mexico actually looked like the blood of dead men floating on the sea.

Both the Cygnus (swan) that is the first craft in a $1.9 billion series and the International Space Station (it is as big as a football stadium) have been prepared on a grand scale and have been sent up, but have yet to come down according to the terms in the prophecy. Is it a coincidence that the word study of mountain in Revelation 8:8 suggests that it is derived from a root that means going up and coming down, and the cargo transport, Cygnus (from the Greek for swan that is currently in orbit preparing to dock with the ISS), is named after a fowl.

Because of the Cygnus, is the ISS to fall as a blazing burning fire into the sea and cause a massive oil spill disaster? Would that be the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 that the world would understand, or fanciful speculation from unsound Bible study?

As the Cygnus will repeatedly dock with the International Space Station, it could be dogmatically and foolishly stated that this is the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 in the making. But with each docking when whatever will happen has happened, it could be seen that it was not Bible prophecy fulfilled. On the other hand, it could be argued that Revelation 8:8 has been fulfilled in the past and there is no reason to wonder if Cygnus is going to cause the demise of the ISS. That dogmatic view is equally foolish for a people that are watching and waiting to see Daniel and Revelation explain themselves by their fulfillment in these last days.

Blessings

Please don't retire this thread just yet.

Cygnus goes up to the ISS one more time in October 2014.

Have you noticed that 2 of America's recent attempts to resupply the ISS have failed due to rockets exploding at the time of launch? Millions of dollars worth of supplies were lost.

Russia has just sent a mission to the ISS that is successful thus far.

I am still watching to see if the US is going to accidentally shoot the ISS down, which may fulfill Revelation's prediction of a star falling And it may well coincide with-

Rev_8:10-11 "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

And/or that may be linked to

Rev 16:3 "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."

Could one piece of space junk hitting one oil rig at sea start another massive oil spill like the Gulf Spill or pollute a third of the world's fresh water?

We may not have long to wait to see how this will play itself out. America has a few more launches scheduled this year (2015).

'by their fulfillment Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves...'

Prophecy marches on ready or not

Why do you require it to be shot down?

And is "Cygnus—Bible Prophecy Fulfilled?" another of your failed "prophecies" or is Cygnus still in the running?

Cygnus is still in the running.

I don't require it to be "shot" down but as I read the prophecy it will fall to earth and I am wondering if we might be complicit in that scenario in some way.

By their fulfillment Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves. so I am watching several prophecies and wondering how tings will "explain themselves" when all is said and done.

So many folks accept past fulfillment and think that's all there is - ain't no more when the final complete fulfillment is even at the door.

I'm just perplexed as to when the Cygnus was trying to legitimately dock, why you think it would then shoot it down? That seems a most unusual idea. It would be more feasible to think it tries to dock and then bumps it out of orbit. But why you think they need to destroy things, that's unusual. And then you try to map it into Daniel and Revelation, as if they say it will be shot down.

Hmmm.... unless you think God intentionally destroy things, and have this desire to see things destroyed....
If so, that would "explain themselves".

A star will fall from heaven.

The ISS is as big as football fields. It would sure look like a star when and if it should take an unscheduled fall through our atmosphere.