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Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176491
08/31/15 02:25 PM
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The prophecy chose to portray the USA like a lamb. "Both the appearance of this beast and the manner of its rise indicate that the nation which it represents is unlike those presented under the preceding symbols. . . Instead of overthrowing other powers to establish itself, the nation thus represented must arise in territory previously unoccupied and grow up gradually and peacefully." (GC 339, 340)

"Among the Christian exiles who first fled to America and sought an asylum from royal oppression and priestly intolerance were many who determined to establish a government upon the broad foundation of civil and religious liberty. Their views found place in the Declaration of Independence, which sets forth the great truth that "all men are created equal" and endowed with the inalienable right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." And the Constitution guarantees to the people the right of self-government, providing that representatives elected by the popular vote shall enact and administer the laws. Freedom of religious faith was also granted, every man being permitted to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. The oppressed and downtrodden throughout Christendom have turned to this land with interest and hope. Millions have sought its shores, and the United States has risen to a place among the most powerful nations of the earth." (GC 441)

"But the beast with lamblike horns "spake as a dragon. . . The prediction that it will speak "as a dragon" and exercise "all the power of the first beast" plainly foretells a development of the spirit of intolerance and persecution that was manifested by the nations represented by the dragon and the leopardlike beast. And the statement that the beast with two horns "causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast" indicates that the authority of this nation is to be exercised in enforcing some observance which shall be an act of homage to the papacy. . . It is the beast with lamblike horns--in profession pure, gentle, and harmless--that speaks as a dragon. (GC 342)

"In order for the United States to form an image of the beast, the religious power must so control the civil government that the authority of the state will also be employed by the church to accomplish her own ends. . . When the leading churches of the United States, uniting upon such points of doctrine as are held by them in common, shall influence the state to enforce their decrees and to sustain their institutions, then Protestant America will have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy, and the infliction of civil penalties upon dissenters will inevitably result. . . The "image to the beast" represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas. (GC 343, 345

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176492
08/31/15 02:34 PM
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The prophecy says the USA will speak like a dragon in the future - sometime after its establishment in North America. In particular the prophecy says it will speak like a dragon when the USA unites with the church to enforce Sunday Laws. So, technically the USA is not speaking as a dragon right now. Yes, it is warming up to the fact.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Mountain Man] #176506
08/31/15 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The prophecy says the USA will speak like a dragon in the future - sometime after its establishment in North America. In particular the prophecy says it will speak like a dragon when the USA unites with the church to enforce Sunday Laws. So, technically the USA is not speaking as a dragon right now. Yes, it is warming up to the fact.


Oh, I disagree!

In Revelation 13, the very next beast after "the beast", is the lamb-like beast. The first beast receives its deadly wound in 1798. So, it is at this time the lamb-like beast with the dragon mouth is rising. Clearly, the United States of America.

The passing of the Sunday is what creates the Image of the Beast. Now, the USA leads apostate protestantism around the world and causes the healing of the wound by promoting and supporting Sunday Laws in Europe. Once Europe has passed their Sunday Laws the deadly wound is healed.

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Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Mountain Man] #176507
08/31/15 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The prophecy chose to portray the USA like a lamb. "Both the appearance of this beast and the manner of its rise indicate that the nation which it represents is unlike those presented under the preceding symbols. . . Instead of overthrowing other powers to establish itself, the nation thus represented must arise in territory previously unoccupied and grow up gradually and peacefully." (GC 339, 340)

"Among the Christian exiles who first fled to America and sought an asylum from royal oppression and priestly intolerance were many who determined to establish a government upon the broad foundation of civil and religious liberty. Their views found place in the Declaration of Independence, which sets forth the great truth that "all men are created equal" and endowed with the inalienable right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." And the Constitution guarantees to the people the right of self-government, providing that representatives elected by the popular vote shall enact and administer the laws. Freedom of religious faith was also granted, every man being permitted to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. The oppressed and downtrodden throughout Christendom have turned to this land with interest and hope. Millions have sought its shores, and the United States has risen to a place among the most powerful nations of the earth." (GC 441)

"But the beast with lamblike horns "spake as a dragon. . . The prediction that it will speak "as a dragon" and exercise "all the power of the first beast" plainly foretells a development of the spirit of intolerance and persecution that was manifested by the nations represented by the dragon and the leopardlike beast. And the statement that the beast with two horns "causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast" indicates that the authority of this nation is to be exercised in enforcing some observance which shall be an act of homage to the papacy. . . It is the beast with lamblike horns--in profession pure, gentle, and harmless--that speaks as a dragon. (GC 342)

"In order for the United States to form an image of the beast, the religious power must so control the civil government that the authority of the state will also be employed by the church to accomplish her own ends. . . When the leading churches of the United States, uniting upon such points of doctrine as are held by them in common, shall influence the state to enforce their decrees and to sustain their institutions, then Protestant America will have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy, and the infliction of civil penalties upon dissenters will inevitably result. . . The "image to the beast" represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas. (GC 343, 345


I believe exactly what these quotes express.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176514
09/01/15 02:46 AM
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Alchemy, I appreciate you sharing your view.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Alchemy] #176522
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GC 342;

""But the beast with lamblike horns "spake as a dragon. . . The prediction that it will speak "as a dragon" and exercise "all the power of the first beast" plainly foretells a development of the spirit of intolerance and persecution that was manifested by the nations represented by the dragon and the leopardlike beast." (bold emphasis mine)

Sister White explains that this spirit from nations in the past will "develop" over time in the United States. It has been "developing" and is almost completed.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176526
09/01/15 02:43 PM
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Things may not play out in our lifetime. Sunday Laws may not be passed before we pass. Things could go on for another couple hundred years. Who knows? On the other hand, things could happen rapidly. Very soon. Within a few short years. But the question remains - Is the SDA and World ready for it to play out now? My gut says - No. Not yet. My heart says - Please happen in my lifetime. The sooner, the better. I long to be in heaven with Jesus and my loved ones.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Mountain Man] #176544
09/02/15 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Things may not play out in our lifetime. Sunday Laws may not be passed before we pass. Things could go on for another couple hundred years. Who knows? On the other hand, things could happen rapidly. Very soon. Within a few short years. But the question remains - Is the SDA and World ready for it to play out now? My gut says - No. Not yet. My heart says - Please happen in my lifetime. The sooner, the better. I long to be in heaven with Jesus and my loved ones.
(bold emphasis mine)

I will say this, it won't be more than forty years. I know the "dark day" is the one wild card still out there, but, except for that, Jesus will come in less than forty years.

Why?!? You may ask?!? Because I believe we are in the last generation.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176551
09/02/15 02:49 PM
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I believed it in 1982. Things were lined up nicely. The thing missing nowadays is the revival and reformation running rampant in the early to mid 80's. The righteousness by faith movement during those years was amazing and motivating. No such movement exists now.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Mountain Man] #176564
09/03/15 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
I believed it in 1982. Things were lined up nicely. The thing missing nowadays is the revival and reformation running rampant in the early to mid 80's. The righteousness by faith movement during those years was amazing and motivating. No such movement exists now.
(bold emphasis mine)

Blessings MM,

What about 1982? Did you believe that was the last generation?

I was a part of that "righteousness by faith movement". Although, I didn't know it was a movement as such. I was baptized into the SDA Church in August of 1982. Morris Venden was one I liked to read from. I heard him speak once at a campmeeting.

Yet, I believe what we are hearing from the "Present Truth" circles is bringing great light to the body of Christ.

I don't really like all these terms, but, I don't know how to avoid them.

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