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Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177822
11/07/15 01:36 AM
11/07/15 01:36 AM
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I see that West Point has used the language of "full scholarship" with others, so there's no need of me mining old letters to find it. Those who attack Dr. Carson over this are actually choosing what they will "see."

The ability to see the truth should never be taken for granted.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #177824
11/07/15 04:19 AM
11/07/15 04:19 AM
Rick H  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Could all of this sudden public awareness of Seventh Day Adventism be a precursor to the "strong voice" of the Revelation 18 Angel?

We were thinking pretty much along those lines, we shall see..

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Elle] #177825
11/07/15 04:26 AM
11/07/15 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Just saw this article. Well, it looks like Ben was just found lying.

Ben Carson Admits His "Inspirational" West Point Scholarship Story Was Entirely Made Up

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-06...s-entirely-made

11/06/2015

Quote:
Having surged to the lead (according to some polls) in the GOP presidential nominee race, Ben Carson may have a problem. As Politico reports, Carson's campaign on Friday admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story (his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point) was fabricated. The details are stunning as the big lie (something Hillary would be proud of) has been maintained for years, but his PR people are spinning like crazy...

The U.S. Military Academy at West Point has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

But, as Politico details, West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

“In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General,” said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such,” she said.

When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.

“Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit,” campaign manager Barry Bennett wrote in an email to POLITICO. “In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.”

“He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett went on. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”
This admission comes as serious questions about other points of fact in Carson’s personal narrative are questioned, including the seminal episode in which he claimed to have attempted to stab a close friend.

Similarly, details have emerged that cast doubt on the nature of Carson’s encounter with one of the most prominent military men of that era.
They are attacking him with a vengeance since he rose in the polls, all this week they have been going over any little thing with a fine toothcomb and twisting it in the worst possible ways. Never run for any political office unless you are prepared for this....I cant wait to see when they ask his views on the 'antichrist', that is where we shall see the strength of his character and honesty......

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177836
11/07/15 03:41 PM
11/07/15 03:41 PM
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Anyone accepted to West Point gets a full scholarship. So just an offer to apply implies full scholarship. I know of friends getting these letters repeatedly. Repeatedly because they just ignored them, they were not interested in joining the millitary. There is a difference between an offer and an acceptance. Carson was offered to apply. He never applied.


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Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177975
11/12/15 12:35 AM
11/12/15 12:35 AM
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Ok, one person offers a link as "proof" of him lying.

Another person offers a link as "proof" of him not lying.

How does one determine what is "proof"? Better start asking yourself questions:

The one link offers, "This admission". One needs to ask, what admission, admission of what?

"Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false."
Did they? What was the story? The second link gives that.

Question everything. Check the links. People lie to you all the time!

Reminds me of something like this
Abraham Lincoln said you can never trust quotes.

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: kland] #177995
11/12/15 11:03 AM
11/12/15 11:03 AM
Rick H  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: kland
Ok, one person offers a link as "proof" of him lying.

Another person offers a link as "proof" of him not lying.

How does one determine what is "proof"? Better start asking yourself questions:

The one link offers, "This admission". One needs to ask, what admission, admission of what?

"Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false."
Did they? What was the story? The second link gives that.

Question everything. Check the links. People lie to you all the time!

Reminds me of something like this
Abraham Lincoln said you can never trust quotes.
In politics, the big lie is the norm. That's why Hitler had Goebbels his propaganda chief, to spread the big lie and keep the British, French, and other countries hesitant to act or confused as to his intent.

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #179731
03/11/16 10:05 PM
03/11/16 10:05 PM
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Here's a very good & nice turn of events for both Ben Carson and Trump. Donald said he likes Ben's views on Health Care and Education. He adds that Ben Carson will be very much involves in those areas for the country.

Ben speaks very nicely in the live Press conference. I think this is a very nice touch the Lord has put into this by bringing these two men together. And who knows, maybe the Lord will bring Adventism health & education gift "front and center".


Ben Carson Endorses The Donald Press Conference - Live Feed


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Opposites attract? Softly-spoken Dr. Ben Carson is reportedly set to endorse The Donald this morning but Trump's press conference will, we are sure, have more to offer than just that...

As The Hill reports, Trump confirmed the endorsement on Thursday night’s GOP debate, saying Carson "will be very much involved” in advising him on education, calling it Carson’s “expertise.”

The retired neurosurgeon is expected to accompany Trump on the campaign trail as the real estate mogul attempts to cement his lead in Florida ahead of next week’s pivotal primary in the Sunshine State.





Blessings
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Elle] #179814
03/15/16 08:56 AM
03/15/16 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Just saw this article. Well, it looks like Ben was just found lying.

Ben Carson Admits His "Inspirational" West Point Scholarship Story Was Entirely Made Up

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-06...s-entirely-made

11/06/2015

Quote:
Having surged to the lead (according to some polls) in the GOP presidential nominee race, Ben Carson may have a problem. As Politico reports, Carson's campaign on Friday admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story (his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point) was fabricated. The details are stunning as the big lie (something Hillary would be proud of) has been maintained for years, but his PR people are spinning like crazy...

The U.S. Military Academy at West Point has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

But, as Politico details, West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

“In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General,” said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such,” she said.

When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.

“Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit,” campaign manager Barry Bennett wrote in an email to POLITICO. “In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.”

“He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett went on. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”
This admission comes as serious questions about other points of fact in Carson’s personal narrative are questioned, including the seminal episode in which he claimed to have attempted to stab a close friend.

Similarly, details have emerged that cast doubt on the nature of Carson’s encounter with one of the most prominent military men of that era.


What an excellent thread and powerful post.

Yet, God's people seem to have failed again. We need to remember that now that we are in the last generation, God is going to close this out and He only needs 144,000. Which means the vast majority of us could go to hell and Jesus will still come.

We must remember the times in which we live.

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: APL] #179815
03/15/16 09:03 AM
03/15/16 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: l
Ben Carson Admits His "Inspirational" West Point Scholarship Story Was Entirely Made Up

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-06...s-entirely-made


Ah - not so fast. Check your political agenda...

NO - CARSON DID NOT LIE

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro


I hope you are correct APL.

But, for the sake of clarification, this is one reason we should stay out of politics. Unless God directly puts us there, we should not allow the media to have a field day at the truth's expense.

Last edited by Alchemy; 03/15/16 09:05 AM.
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Alchemy] #179816
03/15/16 01:40 PM
03/15/16 01:40 PM
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Ben Carson endorses Donald Trump;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86lYKWjRe4

A very political move. Donald Trump is not someone I could endorse for President or even as a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church! I sure hope Mr. Trump repents and is converted.

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