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Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: kland] #178200
11/17/15 11:46 PM
11/17/15 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Originally Posted By: kland
I don't know if some of you are exaggerating and ain't seen nothing yet.

Have you ever been to a Adventist sponsored Acrofest gymnastics event? How does that compare to what you're seeing in churches? I'd like to hear a response from each [who are] talking about how bad the music is.


I don't have any idea about an Acrofest. Yet, the music coming into the SDA Churches is horrible.

People like to say that if just one soul is saved, it is worth it. Not if it takes out 100 souls in the process!! God will work with most of these "atmospheres" to a point. Every once in a while God can pull a brand from the fire. But, it is far more likely people are being led into darkness than someone ending up saved from these kinds of events.

We must keep are services reverent toward the One, True God of Israel. This is the best way to draw people to Christ.


I guess what I'm trying to say is, what I had thought was bad, what you may think is bad music, is nothing. It could be considered elevator music compared to what is really happening. "Jazz" is nothing in comparison. It could be considered easy-listening. I don't know what you've experienced, but I'm just suggesting that you might be complaining about water on the doorstep when a flood has taken the rest of the house away. Not excusing music in the churches, but if Adventists think Acrofest music is fine and not outright appalled, then no wonder what's happening in the churches.

Like hard core rock music at way past 90+ decibels. Where you plug your ears and it's still uncomfortably loud with not only your chest but your back vibrating.


Oic....

Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: Rick H] #178203
11/18/15 12:10 AM
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Just my perspective, but I don't really see a big issue with the current trend in music. Where I am (Western Canada) I certainly don't see "Led Zep and Grateful Dead", or "pyrotechnics", or anything played at "way past 90+ decibels", or any of the other stuff mentioned in the posts.

Nor have I seen it in any churches I have visited in the US, so I wonder if things are a bit over-stated.

dunno


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Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: Rick H] #178206
11/18/15 03:50 AM
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The Jazz wasn't the problem it was the Catholic Priests playing it for Sabbath so the pastor could get into the christian- political arena by making appearances. He became embarrassed about our way of praising God so he looked for other input.

If you want to talk about strictly the style of music, at that same church they had a kids/ young adult program called "crowded house" and after the sermon the kids would go into a cabin with a full band playing heavy metal music on the Sabbath on the property of Andover church. I can prove it. They tried talking me into organizing it because of my rock and roll history, then when I objected they made it their duty to kick me out.

I never condemn anyone for the type of music they listen too. I still have many friends in the entertainment industry. One of my best friends Tim Howard who I played with for years is the guitarist for Merle Haggard. Also friends with August Zadra with Denis De Young and the Panozo brothers of the rock band Styx and many other bands.

But I draw the line when someone cranks it up in church with drums and loud guitars and people are banging their heads and raising their hands like it causes them to be filled with the Holy Spirit. This is something God is very upset about.

They took away the hymnal and made it a concert. Where is the blessing in it if they're focused on the singer and not praising God?

The bible says there is a blessing for everyone to be singing hymns. But if it's a concert with no hymnal you have to know the popular music to know what to sing.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: JAK] #178237
11/18/15 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: JAK
Just my perspective, but I don't really see a big issue with the current trend in music. Where I am (Western Canada) I certainly don't see "Led Zep and Grateful Dead", or "pyrotechnics", or anything played at "way past 90+ decibels", or any of the other stuff mentioned in the posts.

Nor have I seen it in any churches I have visited in the US, so I wonder if things are a bit over-stated.

dunno


That's because you are not here in the image Beast America. But for you to say "I really don't see a big issue", when it IS everywhere here, means you have your head in the sand. What happens in America comes to your town ten years later and you know it. And it doesn't have to be loud to shock your senses. Have you ever read any scientific papers about the influence of rhythm on a developing brain?

But since you probably grew up on rock and roll (Most Canadians are rockers, I know, I traveled all over your country with Ozzy Osbourne and others) and you seem to be very liberal you probably wouldn't care if it did come to your church.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: JAK] #178266
11/19/15 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: JAK
Just my perspective, but I don't really see a big issue with the current trend in music. Where I am (Western Canada) I certainly don't see "Led Zep and Grateful Dead", or "pyrotechnics", or anything played at "way past 90+ decibels", or any of the other stuff mentioned in the posts.

Nor have I seen it in any churches I have visited in the US, so I wonder if things are a bit over-stated.

dunno
We just got back from a Pathfinder Camporee and the leaders up front were giving shout outs and other concert tactics to the kids to get them going during Friday vespers and Sabbath for church and afternoon program, and they used drums, loud music, dancing, and pumping their hands in the air while yelling. Can you call that, "worship service"?

Ive been in Pathfinders since when Elvis was still in the building, and I know when its a rock and roll event versus church. It will soon be coming to you, just a matter of time.....(even in Western Canada)

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Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: Rick H] #178305
11/20/15 01:45 PM
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Like JAK, I haven't seen much of this type of music in Canadian churches, at least not in the prairies, it's more likely to be country music around here. Mind you, country music isn't as wholesome as its image seems to be. Some of the lyrics are not exactly G rated!

I do agree that it is only a matter of time before unholy music invades every geographic area of the Church. The disease of worldly culture is highly contagious. It has already infected much of our leadership and trickled down into our policy and teachings: the "strange fire" of dark musical choice is a symptom of this as surely as fever for a flu.


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Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: Rick H] #178489
11/26/15 12:49 PM
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Well, my mother in law was coming over for Thanksgiving and she said our former church in Miami (A traditional Adventist church from which almost all the other churchs in Miami formed from) now has set up 2 church services. One the regular service, then a second one with all the drums and rock concert style service for those who desire that type of service. I was shocked to say the least and this is on top of what is happening to the very conservation Spanish churchs which are also being affected, with some putting in concert/theater seating and huge and extremely powerful speakers that you would normally find at a stadium or arena.

My wife came back from a trip in the Caribbean and on her island the churchs in the conference have split, with one half doing the rock concert style service and the other half with the regular worship service. One of our church brothers went to the New England area and he said the churchs out away from the cities basically consider the city churchs to have been taken over already by the music and drums, and there is a distinct difference...

I know you all may not have seen it yet, but be ready as it will continue spreading, especially in the larger churches.

Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: Rick H] #178495
11/26/15 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
I know you all may not have seen it yet, but be ready as it will continue spreading, especially in the larger churches.


Well, I for one am pretty sure it's not quite as described.

Furthermore, I actually welcome the change from traditional, stiff hymns to a more expressive, creative style of music that celebrates the freedom we have in Christ. (Ref. Gal. 5:1)


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: Rick H] #184993
08/26/17 08:39 PM
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Below is a good article on this subject -- it's not just our church that is concerned over the misuse of music in Christian churches.

We are called to be separate from world --

Originally Posted By: EGW
there are many who are binding themselves up with the world in a variety of ways. They have yet to learn the serious lessons so essential to growth in spirituality, to come out from the world and be separate. The heart is divided, the carnal mind craves conformity, similarity to the world in so many ways that the mark of distinction from the world is scarcely distinguishable. FE 311


Originally Posted By: article
Character of Church Music
Churches across all denominational lines have been seduced to a false and vain obligation to provide a non-convicting environment through the use of musical enhancement and entertainment. This is most noticeable among churches that favor contemporary methodology... Discerning believers know and understand that the Bible teaches and requires a very obvious contrast to worldly methodology of music. Godly music is most noticeably holy, doctrinal, and reverent in mannerism... and totally unlike the appeal, apparel, and appearance of worldly music. This is a matter of fact.

Charles Spurgeon, the great English Baptist preacher, declared with conviction: "The devil has seldom done a cleverer thing than hinting to the Church that part of their mission is to provide entertainment for the people, with a view to winning them... providing amusement for the people is nowhere spoken of in the Scriptures as a function of the Church...The need is biblical doctrine, so understood and felt that it sets men of fire."

The character of biblical based music is distinctly different in its origin and purpose. Biblical music and its methodology is sacred, not seductive. It is not intended to draw the world... it is separate from the world. Unlike biblical music, worldly methodology in music with religion sprinkled on it, is at its core a predator for the emotion of the vulnerable and carnal believer... while biblical based methodology in music compels devotion to the one and only true God... The Lord Jesus Christ (Col. 3;16). Amen!

Sincerely, Dr. Arthur Belanqer

Re: Why have we allowed strange music and noise and dancing in our worship? [Re: Rick H] #191016
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Well, now I can see what is spreading this all over...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvXVV0-vRxQ

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