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#161184 - 02/02/14 05:06 AM Re: Is Lifting Hands OK in Church? [Re: jamesonofthunder]
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And this is hard for me to say because I have many friends in the Christian rock industry. They don't like it much that I am so very inflexable on this subject but what can you say about standing up against the Omega of apostacy?

If you go to a Christian concert and it's not a worship service, treat it like entertainment and you're good to go. If you're trying to make entertainment into a worship service, this is robbing God of true devotion and renaming something common into something holy. Strange fire.

Hymnals should never lose their support.

The test for churches is this... do they sing to you, or do they lead you to sing (actual biblical singing, psalms and hymns)? Does it make you want to tap your feet in celebration, or bow in reverence?

Does anyone think there is an actual need for celebration in these last days of the Atonement?
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#161246 - 02/03/14 12:35 PM Re: Is Lifting Hands OK in Church? [Re: jamesonofthunder]
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Hey, I never thought of that. If you are a performer up front and look out and see a bunch of people's hands raised, you would feel pretty good about yourself. I bet the people don't realize what they are doing. I saw one woman last Sabbath raising a hand and I never knew her to do that before. But maybe influence from other venues has influenced her?
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#161251 - 02/03/14 05:12 PM Re: Is Lifting Hands OK in Church? [Re: kland]
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As a ex-professional musician It is a very powerful thing to be an artist who has people looking at them with their hands raised, then coming up and telling you how powerful the music was. It is down right scary.

That is where I am coming from.

I used to work for Ozzy Osbourne on two seperate tours as a monitor sound engineer. I have seen people get on their knees with their hands raised in front of him, and they said they had a religious experience. Should we believe them?

The raising of hands should be a private ordeal, not a public one, and only when you are absolutely sure that your heart is stayed on God, not anything else.

I once raised my hands before at a baptism and God corrected me by helping me realize where my heart was while doing it.He showed me that I wasn't really thinking about Him, seeing myself from His perspective. I was being corrected harshly for letting my vanity get in the way, God was sad.

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#161252 - 02/03/14 05:18 PM Re: Is Lifting Hands OK in Church? [Re: jamesonofthunder]
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Oh yeah, and if you raise your hands as a witness to a baptism, you better make sure that God would approve of the baptism, for it's a very bad thing to give your testimony to the surity of the readiness of the candidate if he is still holding on to sin. VERY IMPORTANT!!!!
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#179082 - 01/18/16 11:28 PM Re: Is Lifting Hands OK in Church? [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by debbie:
<strong> ... If you want to do this in your SDA church, then DO NOT call it an SDA Church. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Debbie, I have seen you express this basic sentiment about just about everything that you are uncomforatable with or with which you disagree. At times you have expressed it bluntly that folks who do such-and-such are not welcome or should go elsewhere. This kind of exclusive not-in-my-backyard mentaility is a great evangelism tool which provoked Jesus to say of the Pharisees, "You travel to the ends of the earth to make a convert and end up making him a worse son of hell than you are."

I am most greatful that you are not in charge and are not making the rules...

Tom
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And how are those in charge and making the rules doing any better?

We desecrate the Sabbath and persecute Sabbath keepers in the SPD.
We promote WOPE in defiance of three GC session decisions against it.
We want LGBT's comfortable in the church.

And the list good on...

debbie is not doing that bad at all!
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