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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #178890
01/04/16 02:27 AM
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The significance of that that ‘come out of the mouth’ indicates deceptive power with their words of mouth.
These three entities perform 1). Working miracles, 2) go to the kings of the earth, and 3) gather them (the whole world). We are told that these three religious entities unite the whole world into a great deception.
Thus our Lord tells us to “watch and keep” our garments, “lest he walk naked, and they see his shame” (Rev. 16:15). So our question is who are these three religious identities.
We are told that the beast received a power, seat and authority from the dragon, the Satan (Rev. 13:2) to deceive the world.
In the same way, the other of two unclean spirits would be inspired to do the same kind of work. The false prophets who exercised all the power of the beast will deceived the world – them that dwell on the earth (Rev. 13:14)- by working miracles “which he had power to do in the sight of the beast”. The triangular relationship of the three unclean spirits proves things without words of detail about the third unclean spirit in the way of his doing things the same way of the others to deceive the world.

Thus they are called “the spirits of devils”, which are “the three unclean spirits” of the Buddhist of orient (dragon), the Catholic (beast), and the apostate protestants (false prophets).

If the dragon of the chapter 16 were referring to the Satan, how would you relate to the other unclean spirits? Why would he give his power, his seat, and great authority to the beast to speak great things and blasphemies in their mouth (Rev. 13:5)? What does he speak with his own mouth then to deceive people? Does he really go to the kings of the earth directly? What’s his approach that is differing from the other unclean spirits to gather world?

Indeed, it is a miracle that the three religious entities unite each other into one mind to destroy God people.
They had worked miracles to establish a spiritual Babylon. The process of this gathering is for “the battle of that great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14). We already eye witnesses the ecumenical movement, which is the process of the gathering that is for “the battle of that great day of God Almighty”. The place “he gathered them together into … Armageddon” (Rev. 16:16). If the Armageddon is the place of the battle, then we can search out what has happened in the Megiddo of Old Testament.

I have already shared in this thread what is the significance of Megiddo of OT.

In my summary, the three unclean spirits are working actively to deceive the whole world with issues of their mouth. Nevertheless, we are not left unwarned about the workings of the spirits of devils. The sixth trumpet blast its sound, saying, “out of their mouths issued 1) fire and 2) smoke and 3) brimstone” (Rev. 9:18) to kill them by these plagues because what the three unclean spirits are doing deserve sixth plague (Rev. 16:13-14)-the battle of the great day of God Almighty.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #178929
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Chap. 182 - The Threefold Union of Religion

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Revelation 16:13, 14. {Mar 190.1}

By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation [the United States] will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {Mar 190.2}



Chap. 183 - Satan and the Threefold Union

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast. Revelation 13:4. {Mar 191.1}

"He had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." Though professing to be followers of the Lamb of God, men become imbued with the spirit of the dragon. They profess to be meek and humble but they speak and legislate with the spirit of Satan, showing by their actions that they are the opposite of what they profess to be. This lamb-like power unites with the dragon in making war upon those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. And Satan unites with Protestants and Papists, acting in consort with them as the god of this world, dictating to men as if they were the subjects of his kingdom, to be handled and governed and controlled as he pleases. If men will not agree to trample under foot the commandments of God, the spirit of the dragon is revealed. They are imprisoned, brought before councils, and fined. "He causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads." "He had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." Thus Satan usurps the prerogatives of Jehovah. The man of sin sits in the seat of God, proclaiming himself to be God, and acting above God. {Mar 191.2}


Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience. {GC 588.1}


I would say satan works through spiritualism / witchcraft with the papacy and protestantism to enforce sunday sacredness. He speaks to the kings of the earth through "dead" people.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #178965
01/09/16 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Chap. 182 - The Threefold Union of Religion

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Revelation 16:13, 14. {Mar 190.1}

By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation [the United States] will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {Mar 190.2}



Chap. 183 - Satan and the Threefold Union

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast. Revelation 13:4. {Mar 191.1}

"He had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." Though professing to be followers of the Lamb of God, men become imbued with the spirit of the dragon. They profess to be meek and humble but they speak and legislate with the spirit of Satan, showing by their actions that they are the opposite of what they profess to be. This lamb-like power unites with the dragon in making war upon those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. And Satan unites with Protestants and Papists, acting in consort with them as the god of this world, dictating to men as if they were the subjects of his kingdom, to be handled and governed and controlled as he pleases. If men will not agree to trample under foot the commandments of God, the spirit of the dragon is revealed. They are imprisoned, brought before councils, and fined. "He causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads." "He had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." Thus Satan usurps the prerogatives of Jehovah. The man of sin sits in the seat of God, proclaiming himself to be God, and acting above God. {Mar 191.2}


Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience. {GC 588.1}


I would say satan works through spiritualism / witchcraft with the papacy and protestantism to enforce sunday sacredness. He speaks to the kings of the earth through "dead" people.


I need to test this more. This does not ring true to me. I mean the compilation Maranatha.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Alchemy] #178966
01/09/16 03:19 PM
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The more I read Testimonies Volume 5, I can't accept this connection made that the sixth plague of Revelation 16 applies to that statement at Mar 190.2.

That is very misleading. I do not accept what the book Maranatha implies in chapter 182.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #178990
01/11/16 04:39 PM
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What about {GC 588.1} ?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #179000
01/12/16 04:09 AM
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The threefold union of religion speaks to the hearts and minds of people to deceive with their mouths just like the Word of God speaks by the sword of the Spirit, which is from the mouth of God.
We are to identify the three religious groups of the worldwide end-time coalition. The prophecy tells us that they join together for the battle of “that great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14). The threefold religion seems to counterfeit the three angels’ messages. They are going to perform miracles to set up the image of the Chap. 13 and enforce the entire world to receive the mark of the beast.

The Protestantism, which is the false prophets, will “stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power,”-uniting with the beast and she will “reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism” (Mar 190.2). Spiritualism is “a belief that spirits of the dead have both the ability and the inclination to communicate with the living”-Wikipedia dictionary. So the spiritualism is based on the false doctrine of the Bible, which is the doctrine of devil.


The beast also performs miracles to deceive many. The Pope has urged Sunday sacredness (1989) and more projected when he visited US on Sept. 2015. The Protestants and the Papist unite their hands with the Spiritualism, which the doctrine comes from the spirit of devils.

The False prophets and the beast both gather the whole world together, in the spirit of the Dragon, the Satan. The Paganism also joins the beast and the false prophets in their spiritualism at the threefold union of religion.
“Satan unites with Protestants and Papists” (Mar 191.2) does not convey meaning that Satan is another religion that unites with the other religions of the unclean spirits. Notice that the Satan is instigator of all and inspires the each unclean spirit to unite for the battle of God Almighty.

“Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome” (GC 588.1). This tells me that the Satan inspires all three unclean spirits even though the pagan religion is not mentioned here. It is left for seekers to observe the meaning and gain an insight how the three different religions (Pagan, Catholic, Apostate Protestant) unite in ecumenical movement to kill God’s remnant people.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #179020
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And Satan unites with Protestants and Papists,
{Mar 191.2}
I don't really know about your "religion" part, but say it is. If Protestants and Papists are considered religion, and are part of the 3 frogs, why did she leave out the third part? Unless satan is the third part. For some reason, she quoted Rev 16:13,14 right beforehand....

Things must fit together. Otherwise, well, they don't fit.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #179026
01/13/16 03:25 AM
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Satan cannot be another religion himself that stretches his hand to grasp another religion of the unclean spirits. The threefold union of religion has received the "spirits of devils" from the Satan.
Rev.13:4 "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast."
If the dragon gave power to the beast, he will do the same thing with the false prophets and the pagan religion. No surprise that the false prophets "spake like as a dragon"(Rev. 13:11) because they were inspired by the spirit of the Satan. The patterns of the works of the Satan are clearly demonstrated in the book of the prophecy of Revelation. The significance of the three religious forces that come out of the mouth of the dragon(pagan religion), the beast(papacy) and the false prophet(apostate Protestantism) are gathering the world to destruction.

“Papists, Protestants, and worldling (pagan) will alike accept the form of godliness without the power, and they will see in this union a grand movement for the conversion of the world and the ushering in of the long-expected millennium”. Mar 190.4

I believe that the threefold union of religion is clearly written in the spirit of prophecy.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #179027
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The first plague of “foul and loathsome” sores afflicts only those who worship the Antichrist and who have accepted the mark of the Beast. God’s people would be perfectly obedient that they would know how to escape the plague. They would be obedient in the counsel of diet that was given in Gen. 1:29. The promise of God in Exodus 15:26 would be guaranteed till the end of the time. The counsel of the Apostles was also given in Acts 15:29 to “abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled”.

God knows from the beginning to the end that this counsel of diet was so necessary for the end-time generation to survive the plague. Thus Jesus admonishes His church to return to the “first love” in the Ephesus church to be obedient in the counsel of the diet. His church must become conquerors just as Jesus conquered as the white horse of the first seal.

The plague of the first bowl judgment is so catastrophic that the third of the world’s population will be wiped out, which the first trumpet blast its sound of warning. The trees and all green grass, which signify men on the earth, will be hurt. Has such pestilence happened in our human history? If not, the first trumpet sound certainly portrays “the wind … blow on the earth” (Rev. 7:1) in the “hurt” by loosing the hold of the four angels, which means Jesus’ ministry in the heavenly sanctuary will cease very soon. Then the end of the probation for the mankind will finally arrive.

Notice that all the Seven trumpets of the judgment announce about “hurting the earth, the sea, ..tree” (Rev. 7:1) and “woe, woe, woe” (Rev. 8:13). I believe that the coming of the Seven last plagues are remarkably warned by the Seven Trumpet sound.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #179105
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God will not do anything unless He tells His servants the prophets.
Amos 3: 7 “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”

The second plague is so deadly and dangerous to the inhabitants of the earth. God must warn which is to come.

Rev. 16:3 “And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.”

The ocean is where the most oxygen produces and the humanity is very depended on the life of the sea. If the sea creatures die, including the vegetation of the sea, the life of humanity certainly will be devastated. We are already observing the threats of these plagues of the ocean. Indeed the shadow of such plagues is over casted currently upon the earth and the sea.

The “hurt” of the earth and the sea is about to come! (Rev. 7:1) The four angels are about to loose their hold! (Rev. 9:14-15) The probation of the mankind is about to close imminently! (Rev. 8:5) “Blow the trumpet, hear ye”! (Isa. 18:3)

The sound of the second trumpet is transparent for the warning of the second plague.
Rev. 8:8 “And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;”

The “great mountain burning with fire” symbolically indicates that there is forces unknown that it can prevent the coming devastation of the sea.

Rev. 8:9 “And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.”

People use the vessels of ship that bring the creatures of the sea for food. If the life of the sea is deadly for food, symbolically speaking that the “third part of the ships were destroyed”. Thus the second trumpet announces the coming plague of “it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.” (Rev. 16:3)

When the four angels of holding the winds of the earth would let go, the “hurt” will occur upon the earth, the sea, and the trees. (Rev. 7:1-3) When the sealing of the living God is completed, the “hurt” will come suddenly. Our time is very short. Please read this prophecy book of Revelation, then you would see the things, which “must shortly come to pass” (Rev. 1:1, 22:6).

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