Yes, we now have a country officially authorizing a woman and her team to genetically modify/engineer human embryos.

This is truly a sign of the times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spea...-human-embryos/

I'd hate to be part of the "next generation" of people who have to worry about the potential for having GMO spouses in addition to their GMO foods.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Is GMO a sin?

Is that anything like finding out you're married to a spouse who decides they are the same sex as you?

APL, if this is a precise thing now, why the mutations?

What's really fearful, is they somehow recognized some, but can they recognize all mutations? Maybe not quite as bad as the shotgun approach, but still a gamble.

“You are to keep My statutes. You must not crossbreed two different kinds of your livestock, sow your fields with two kinds of seed, or put on a garment made of two kinds of material." Leviticus 19:19

I would say that Genetic Modification is "crossbreeding" on steroids!

Leviticus 25:3-5 Six years you shall sow your field, and six years you shall prune your vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; 4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest to the land, a sabbath for the LORD: you shall neither sow your field, nor prune your vineyard. 5 That which grows of its own accord of your harvest you shall not reap, neither gather the grapes of your vine undressed: for it is a year of rest to the land.

Do you keep every 7th year as a Sabbath Rick? How about the Jubilee? Is GMO a transgression of the Law of God? Are we all transgressors because we do not keep the Sabbatical year?

APL,

The yearly rest was not for people, but rather for land. That's evident in the text. Perhaps you have not studied into the core principles of organic farming. Organic farmers know, or should know, that having that year of rest means the ground will be more fertile and productive. It is part of a good crop-rotation plan. It probably has little or nothing to do with the GMO discussion, other than to highlight the fact that the natural way is God's way, and is best for success, health, and happiness.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

My question was is GMO a sin. Rick brought up Leviticus 19 implying what Green? I'll let you answer that to yourself. I bring another scripture reference which also has sewing of the land involved and few people observe, is that a sin Green? The land rest was not for people you say, yet Israel went into captivity for 70 years because they did not observe the Sabbatical year and give the land its rest. Was that the land's fault? Is GMO a sin?

APL,

Since you asked, I believe GMO is a sin, yes. I also happen to believe that old Levitical law about not eating swine still applies. I'm not a farmer, but if I were, I think I would be allowing the land to lie fallow as the Bible prescribes, one year in seven. Farmers these days rotate fields in doing that. Perhaps the Jews all let their lands have rest in the very same year--in which it would have only been a miracle from God that they were all fed of the land in that year. In their system, occasionally the land rested two consecutive years, as well.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I may be venturing into a field of hot debate, but I do have some opinion on the matter that are not the conventional ideas in this world.

Ellen White has been mightily criticized for something she wrote:



There is such a thing as "natural amalgamation" which happens naturally in nature. But I don't believe that is what EGW is talking about.

She isn't just talking about varieties within a species, she is talking about confused species.

Contrary to evolutionist thinking, the pre flood people were the most intelligent human beings that ever lived. They had more than 900 years to fill their computer like minds with data, and unlike computers they could reason and plan and devise.


I believe they practiced what scientists are now starting to do -- play with genetics. Modify God's creation genetically.
Were the Nephilim, a product of this?

Apparently this was also tried soon after the flood, probably by the descendants Ham-Cush-Nimrod and stopped from progressing by the tower of Babel ordeal. Could well be one of the reasons Israel was charged to destroy all the Canaanites some of which were Nephilim

This amalgamation is called "a sin above others" and "a base crime".

Guess what Dedication - Genesis 3 is telling us what will happen because of sin. It is sin that causes thorns and thistles to come up. The snake lost its legs and ended up crawling on its belly because of sin. It is sin that increases the pain of women in child birth.

Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge, which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?" The master answered, "An enemy hath done this." [Matthew 13:27, 28.] All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares. {Ms65-1899}

So do you agree that humans practiced genetic manipulation prior to the flood -- amalgamation?

Your quote indicates that Satan most likely did -- and probably inspired people to do it too.

The quote I shared suggests it was people practicing genetic manipulation prior to the flood. It says this was a sin above others -- a base crime --

Now people are doing it again --
As it was in the days of Noah.....
Another sign we are in the final time.

Do you think the dinosaurs and other extinct gigantic creatures were the result of antediluvian genetic manipulation?

It is quite possible, yes. However, God may have created some of those. We cannot know how many were of divine origin and how many may have been a result of man's tinkering. We do know that God allowed those to perish at the Flood.



The question of the meaning of "amalgamation" is at the heart of the interpretation of the following passage.



I personally believe that it means genetic tampering on man's part with mixing man and beast (something happening today again) and beasts of differing kinds, which Genesis 1 does not sanction. I support that view from the following passage.



Therefore, some of those species were ones that God had not invented Himself, but were "confused species." Therefore, man had tinkered with them via amalgamation. For us to understand this properly, the word "amalgamation" must also apply to "man and beast" as well. If amalgamation creates "confused species," and if mankind is all of one "race" or "specied" (Homo sapiens, according to scientists), then there must be "certain races of men" that have some animal DNA in their heritage. This is HIGHLY controversial (and will probably tend to sidetrack this entire thread into another "amalgamation" debate), and Mrs. White does not elucidate further. But the evidence is there for those who are willing to stomach it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

This may have already been said but the reason genetic manipulation is diabolical is that it assumes the prerogatives of the Creator. We as created beings have no more authority to change what God created than we have authority to change the Sabbath or any of the other commandments.

If we do usurp that authority the results will be the same: death and decay. I won't be surprised if we find that the unhealing sores that afflict those with the mark of the beast are the result of ingesting GMO foods. I'm not saying that will definitely be the cause, but only that it could well be.

Hideous and frightening.

Now is not a good time to have children.

Excellent post, Mark.

Are garments of two kinds cross breeding or is it a sin?


Green, what does it mean to let the land rest? What are the conditions, when people allow it to "rest"?

Certain forms of Muscular Distrophy are caused by copy number variation. Are you saying that if we have a way to disable or remove some of these extra copies of genes and prevent the disease that it would be sin? Are you saying that God created this disease? What causes copy number variation, God's design?

kland,

The Bible twice mentions "fallow ground," where "fallow" can mean tillable, un-tilled land. In modern terms, fallow can mean plowed land that is not sown, just left empty. Which form of "fallow" the Bible may speak of is unclear to me, but I would think it meant simply leaving the land alone, unworked. The land was to have a "sabbath." The Bible speaks of eating that which grew of itself upon it, so apparently it was not just plowed down to bare dirt.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

We grow a little over 30,000 sq ft of vegetable gardens and yes, we let one seventh of our garden space rest every year. By rest, I mean we don't plant anything on that portion and just let the weeds grow. We cut them down before they go to seed. These weeds are able to bring up minerals from the subsoil to enrich the topsoil for future crops.

We may not even need scientists deliberately changing human genetics. Feed people enough chemicals and something in the genetics changes.

In Brazil there is an outbreak of microcephaly -- babies born with unusual tiny heads and brains.

Why?

Well there are differing opinions, but the most plausible is:

"According to the Physicians in Crop-Sprayed Towns (PCST), a chemical larvicide that produces malformations in mosquitoes was injected into Brazil's water supplies in 2014 in order to stop the development of mosquito larvae in drinking water tanks."

"The chemical, which is known as Pyriproxyfen, was used in a massive government-run program tasked to control the mosquito population in the country."

"Malformations detected in thousands of children from pregnant women living in areas where the Brazilian state added pyriproxyfen to drinking water is not a coincidence," the PCST wrote pdf in the report."

(bold emphasis mine)

Almost everything is being contaminated these days. We are killing ourselves and few are doing anything about it. This might sound bad, but, God really needs to come very soon.