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Pope Claims Christ Sinned! #179696
03/09/16 11:31 AM
03/09/16 11:31 AM
ProdigalOne  Online Content OP
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I happened upon this nugget of Papal blaspheme today:

Vatican City, Dec 27, 2015 / 10:03 am, CNA (Catholic News Agency)


"The Pope reflected on the Sunday reading from the Gospel of Luke in which a young Jesus stayed in Jerusalem in the Temple, causing great distress to Mary and Joseph when they could not find him.

“For this little ‘escapade,’ Jesus probably had to beg forgiveness of his parents,” the Pope suggested. “The Gospel doesn’t say this, but I believe that we can presume it.

He said that Mary’s question to Jesus, “why have you treated us like this?” contains “a certain reproach, revealing the concern and anguish which she and Joseph felt.” The Pope that Jesus “surely remained close” to Mary and Joseph as a sign of his “complete affection and obedience.”"

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/p...ards-god-20282/


Francis says: "Jesus probably had to beg forgiveness"... "I believe that we can presume it." Since, the Pope claims infallibility when "he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church," his statement labels Jesus as a SINNER. A doctrine that over a billion Catholics are now obligated to accept!

Further, his statement: "that Mary’s question to Jesus, “why have you treated us like this?” contains “a certain reproach," appears to suggest that Mary is the accuser of Christ and that it is mainly of her that He must "beg forgiveness"!

Here we have Christ painted as a sinner, and therefore an unworthy sin offering. Sorry folks, no redemption at the foot of the Cross!
We also have Mary as the one "reproached" by Jesus and subsequently "begged for forgiveness"! Guess what folks, according to the Pope, Jesus failed and Mary is your Intercessor!


Papal infallibility:

"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "When, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."


Wikipedia




"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179707
03/10/16 09:13 AM
03/10/16 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne

I happened upon this nugget of Papal blaspheme today:

Vatican City, Dec 27, 2015 / 10:03 am, CNA (Catholic News Agency)


"The Pope reflected on the Sunday reading from the Gospel of Luke in which a young Jesus stayed in Jerusalem in the Temple, causing great distress to Mary and Joseph when they could not find him.

“For this little ‘escapade,’ Jesus probably had to beg forgiveness of his parents,” the Pope suggested. “The Gospel doesn’t say this, but I believe that we can presume it.

He said that Mary’s question to Jesus, “why have you treated us like this?” contains “a certain reproach, revealing the concern and anguish which she and Joseph felt.” The Pope that Jesus “surely remained close” to Mary and Joseph as a sign of his “complete affection and obedience.”"

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/p...ards-god-20282/


Francis says: "Jesus probably had to beg forgiveness"... "I believe that we can presume it." Since, the Pope claims infallibility when "he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church," his statement labels Jesus as a SINNER. A doctrine that over a billion Catholics are now obligated to accept!

Further, his statement: "that Mary’s question to Jesus, “why have you treated us like this?” contains “a certain reproach," appears to suggest that Mary is the accuser of Christ and that it is mainly of her that He must "beg forgiveness"!

Here we have Christ painted as a sinner, and therefore an unworthy sin offering. Sorry folks, no redemption at the foot of the Cross!
We also have Mary as the one "reproached" by Jesus and subsequently "begged for forgiveness"! Guess what folks, according to the Pope, Jesus failed and Mary is your Intercessor!


Papal infallibility:

"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "When, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."


Wikipedia




This pope can say anything and get away with it. He even said once that God isn't divine! Can you believe it? Believe it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Du4kCjjCd0

Start at about the 18:20 mark.

Published on Jun 1, 2015
To All Catholics - The Failure of the Cross? https://youtu.be/S5urWW3ucEY
A Woman Rides the Beast - The Catholic Church and the Last Days - Dave Hunt (Documentary) https://youtu.be/IY7Rp94Z5xE
Upload by permission of ChristInProphecy http://www.youtube.com/ChristInProphecy
Lamb & Lion Ministries http://www.lamblion.com/

Every once in a while evangelicals get it right for the most part, and this one such time.

Last edited by Alchemy; 03/10/16 09:14 AM.
Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179718
03/11/16 01:29 AM
03/11/16 01:29 AM
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God not divine!?! Wow, the arrogance of Francis leaves me speechless, sometimes!

Thanks for the links. Dave Hunt was so knowledgable about prophesy, it's amazing that he didn't accept the Sabbath truth.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179721
03/11/16 03:46 AM
03/11/16 03:46 AM
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Yeah.

I had thought at one time he was a Seventh-day Adventist, but, I must be wrong.

Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179727
03/11/16 04:50 PM
03/11/16 04:50 PM
ProdigalOne  Online Content OP
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I believe Mr Hunt was a member of the Plymouth Brethren.

One Plymoth Brethren writer, William Kelly, claimed that the Sabbath existed in the Old Testament, was replaced by Sunday, "the Lord's Day, in the New Testament, and will become the Saturday Sabbath once more after Christ's return!

This is the first time I have come across this theory. It's quite an interesting method of circumventing verses like Isaiah 66:23, that show Sabbath will be kept in the future kingdom.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179733
03/12/16 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
God not divine!?! Wow, the arrogance of Francis leaves me speechless, sometimes!

Thanks for the links. Dave Hunt was so knowledgable about prophesy, it's amazing that he didn't accept the Sabbath truth.

Do not be stupidly alarmist!

Pope Francis said that God was not "a divine being" (like just another mythological gnostic spirit) but THE Divine Being, from whom all things exist.

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Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179734
03/12/16 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne

I happened upon this nugget of Papal blaspheme today:

Vatican City, Dec 27, 2015 / 10:03 am, CNA (Catholic News Agency)


"The Pope reflected on the Sunday reading from the Gospel of Luke in which a young Jesus stayed in Jerusalem in the Temple, causing great distress to Mary and Joseph when they could not find him.

“For this little ‘escapade,’ Jesus probably had to beg forgiveness of his parents,” the Pope suggested. “The Gospel doesn’t say this, but I believe that we can presume it.

He said that Mary’s question to Jesus, “why have you treated us like this?” contains “a certain reproach, revealing the concern and anguish which she and Joseph felt.” The Pope that Jesus “surely remained close” to Mary and Joseph as a sign of his “complete affection and obedience.”"

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/p...ards-god-20282/


Francis says: "Jesus probably had to beg forgiveness"... "I believe that we can presume it." Since, the Pope claims infallibility when "he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church," his statement labels Jesus as a SINNER. A doctrine that over a billion Catholics are now obligated to accept!

Further, his statement: "that Mary’s question to Jesus, “why have you treated us like this?” contains “a certain reproach," appears to suggest that Mary is the accuser of Christ and that it is mainly of her that He must "beg forgiveness"!

Here we have Christ painted as a sinner, and therefore an unworthy sin offering. Sorry folks, no redemption at the foot of the Cross!
We also have Mary as the one "reproached" by Jesus and subsequently "begged for forgiveness"! Guess what folks, according to the Pope, Jesus failed and Mary is your Intercessor!


Papal infallibility:

"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "When, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."


Wikipedia



Do not be stupidly alarmist!

Asking for forgiveness of another person is indicative of humility; and Jesus DID cause Mary and Joseph certain pain and consternation. After all, they were looking for him a pretty long time, and it says at the end, He went with them and was subject to them thereafter.

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Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179742
03/12/16 03:09 PM
03/12/16 03:09 PM
ProdigalOne  Online Content OP
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"...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

What do you think about Matthew 5:22, my friend, James Son of Peter?

By telling Alchemy and I not to be "stupidly alarmist", you appear to be
in danger of putting your "immortal soul"in jeopardy of "eternal" hell fire!

An "eternity" of being pitchfork flipped like a demonic hamburger patty hardly seems worth a moment of angry venting over an insult to your "Roman Father".



"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179748
03/12/16 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
"...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

What do you think about Matthew 5:22, my friend, James Son of Peter?

By telling Alchemy and I not to be "stupidly alarmist", you appear to be
in danger of putting your "immortal soul"in jeopardy of "eternal" hell fire!

An "eternity" of being pitchfork flipped like a demonic hamburger patty hardly seems worth a moment of angry venting over an insult to your "Roman Father".



It seems James wants to interpret Pope Francis his own way. Well, he can do that.

But, I simply take Pope Francis at his word.

Re: Pope Claims Christ Sinned! [Re: ProdigalOne] #179750
03/12/16 08:54 PM
03/12/16 08:54 PM
ProdigalOne  Online Content OP
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I agree. I believe Francis is extremely calculating in his word choices.
He must be perfectly well aware of the significance his statements have on Catholics, especially in view of the doctrine of papal infallibility.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
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