God Will Provide
613. We see that cattle are becoming greatly diseased, the earth itself is corrupted, and we know that the time will come when it will not be best to use milk and eggs. But that time has not yet come. We know that when it does come, the Lord will provide. The question is asked, meaning much to all concerned, Will God set a table in the wilderness? I think the answer may be made, Yea, God will provide food for His people. {CD 359.2}
In all parts of the world provision will be made to supply the place of milk and eggs. And the Lord will let us know when the time comes to give up these articles. He desires all to feel that they have a gracious heavenly Father who will instruct them in all things. The Lord will give dietetic art and skill to His people in all parts of the world, teaching them how to use for the sustenance of life the products of the earth.—Letter 151, 1901 {CD 359.3}
[Use of Milk in Breadmaking—496]
[Use of Milk in Whole-Wheat Rolls—503]

I am not a full vegan myself. But, I believe the food of the world is dangerous enough now and I believe the Lord is revealing that to His people.

This guy is a vegan btw; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_LIY8cjf4

Yes, eating processed foods high in oils increases the omega-6s and increases inflammation. But if we follow the recommendations we have had for over 100 years, we need not go down that path. Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven. The less feverish the diet, the more easily can the passions be controlled. Gratification of taste should not be consulted irrespective of physical, intellectual, or moral health. {2T 352.1}

Grains and fruits, as natural as possible, and free from oil is the diet for those preparing for translation.

Green makes another mistake in believing that health reform is not part of the third angel's message.

APL,

Do you eat vegetables?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Who shall we follow?

APL,

Personally, it does not matter to me if you answer me or not, but for your own soul's sake, you deserve to properly consider how you are choosing to interpret Mrs. White. You could not answer me whether or not you are eating vegetables. Why is that? It was a very simple question.

The fact that you are not answering such a simple question as that is indicative of a larger issue: You KNOW that you have twisted Mrs. White by using her out-of-context.

I couldn't live with my conscience if I did that.

If you want to use that Ellen White statement regarding preparing for translation as excluding milk and eggs, here are other items you should be giving up as well:

beans
honey
mushrooms
nuts
seaweed
vegetables
-- (carrots, potatoes, radishes, onions, chives, beets, turnips, spinach, lettuce, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, celery, kale, artichokes, watercress, mint, basil, herbs, licorice, dill, alfalfa sprouts, bean sprouts, sugarcane, okra, asparagus, garlic, shallot, kohlrabi, lemon grass, bamboo, cassava, yam, sweet potato, ginger, jícama, parsnip, turnip, rutabaga, taro, wasabi, turmeric, galangal, etc.)
yeast

Are you teaching people to cook without all these?

Note: Teaching cookery is different than teaching diet. Mrs. White is more than clear on this point. You deserve to take some time apart to consider the full body of her statements on the matter. It appears someone has misled you as to what Mrs. White teaches on this subject. To a doctor who went to less of an extreme than the one which you appear to be advocating, the following was written.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

It would be good for you if you considered ALL that EGW has written. You last post is clear evidence of twisting all that she has written. I know what your question was pointing to, and it based on a single quotation. Even your quotations from TSDF reveal the weakness of your position. Example, most people have no idea the condition of the animals from which they obtain their milk and eggs. EGW is clear that giving up milk and eggs can be done. Her greatest caution is for the poor. Today it is not difficult to forgo milk and eggs and use things which are better and more healthful.

Thank you, I have. Have you?


If you mean to accuse me, have at it. But it appears you may be accusing Mrs. White herself, whom I quoted in that post.


That's interesting, because that "single quotation" just happens to be the one you brought here.


First of all, it is not my position that you are attacking, but that of Ellen White. Other quotes support the concept when you read them "all."


This is a straw man argument and has little to do with Mrs. White's statement, though she does tell us our milk and eggs should be from healthy animals. That's common sense, though, don't you think? Personally, I hope my fruits and vegetables are from healthy sources too, don't you? (I wouldn't care to have them full of pesticides, for example, would you? Is GMO healthy?)


Sure. She tells us that the "very small minority" can do so without harm.


That's stretching the truth, or perhaps dependent upon one's definitions of "greatest caution." She speaks of more than just the poor, but she certainly does address them as well.


No, it is not difficult in some places to obtain good supplements. As long as the vegan knows that he or she needs to take supplements to replace what they would naturally have obtained in the milk or eggs, then perhaps they can switch from the animal products to the supplements with less risk of ill effects.

For vitamin B12, those who take supplements should know, however, that by far the most common source on the market, cyanocobalamin, which is also the cheapest, is virtually unusable by the body. Precious little uptake of B12 occurs with it, and a B12 deficiency can still develop when taking this as one's source. Hydroxocobalamin is a slightly better form, and more expensive, but a better one by far, and most expensive of the three as well, is methylcobalamin. Where I am located, it is unavailable. We have only cyanocobalamin here. Perhaps Mrs. White refers to this country as among those "poor" which she allows greater latitude in terms of dietary health reform. Of course, anyone can still, given a rural setting, obtain eggs from healthy hens, simply by raising a few of their own.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Here is again you twist EGW. Only a small minority can do without milk and eggs? NO, she said that the poor MAY not be able to provide sufficient nutrition without it. Quite the opposite of what you'd like to believe.

***GREEN LOGIC*** LOL!! You call it a straw man argument then back me up by what EGW says. Actually, it is "black logic" as it is far from the light. Do you know what your eggs and milk come from healthy animals? Do MOST people know? Nope! Most have NO IDEA. I won't address the rest of YOUR STRAW MAN argument.

</shaking head>

APL,

I put that phrase in quotes for a reason. You can, by using that very same quoted string, find where Ellen White confirms what I am saying.

So, will you do your homework like a true Berean?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Again, your proof-text fails you. Your "quote" comes from the Kress collection. Have your does your homework and read the whole article? WHO is EGW most concerned with in the topic of milk and eggs? Note also when this was written, but of course you know the year, right? Is the worry for the poor the same today as it was then? Do we now have access to foods which replace the need for the less healthful. You bet!

The load of sickness and disease is increasing. We have the knowledge and tools to now combat this rising plague of heart disease, cancer, auto-immune disease, etc. The time has come to give up that which is not for our best and use the now bountiful blessings of produce our Father has supplied.