Ellen G. White on the Seven Last Plagues:

(Note: Please, no discussion on if God destroys)

In a view given June 27, 1850, my accompanying angel said, “Time is almost finished. Do you reflect the lovely image of Jesus as you should?” Then I was pointed to the earth and saw that there would have to be a getting ready among those who have of late embraced the third angel’s message. Said the angel, “Get ready, get ready, get ready. Ye will have to die a greater death to the world than ye have ever yet died.” I saw that there was a great work to do for them and but little time in which to do it. {EW 64.1}

Then I saw that the seven last plagues were soon to be poured out upon those who have no shelter; yet the world regarded them no more than they would so many drops of water that were about to fall. I was then made capable of enduring the awful sight of the seven last plagues, the wrath of God. I saw that His anger was dreadful and terrible, and if He should stretch forth His hand, or lift it in anger, the inhabitants of the world would be as though they had never been, or would suffer from incurable sores and withering plagues that would come upon them, and they would find no deliverance, but be destroyed by them. Terror seized me, and I fell upon my face before the angel and begged of him to cause the sight to be removed, to hide it from me, for it was too dreadful. Then I realized, as never before, the importance of searching the Word of God carefully, to know how to escape the plagues which that Word declares shall come on all the ungodly who shall worship the beast and his image and receive his mark in their foreheads or in their hands. It was a great wonder for me that any could transgress the law of God and tread down His holy Sabbath, when such awful threatenings and denunciations were against them. {EW 64.2}

The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first day. He has thought to change the very commandment that was given to cause man to remember his Creator. He has thought to change the greatest commandment in the Decalogue and thus make himself equal with God, or even exalt himself above God. The Lord is unchangeable, therefore His law is immutable; but the pope has exalted himself above God, in seeking to change His immutable precepts of holiness, justice, and goodness. He has trampled underfoot God’s sanctified day, and, on his own authority, put in its place one of the six laboring days. The whole nation has followed after the beast, and every week they rob God of His holy time. The pope has made a breach in the holy law of God, but I saw that the time had fully come for this breach to be made up by the people of God and the waste places built up. {EW 65.1} (bold emphasis mine)


What a horrifying event. What can we do to keep so many people from being subjected to such suffering?

The fact that Satan claims that one whom he loved so well, and who hated God so perfectly, is now with the holy apostles and angels in glory, should be enough to remove the veil from all minds and discover to them the dark, mysterious works of Satan. He virtually says to the world and to infidels, No matter how wicked you are, no matter whether you believe or disbelieve in God or the Bible, live as you please, heaven is your home; for all know that if Thomas Paine is in heaven, and so exalted, they will surely get there. This error is so glaring that all may see if they will. Satan is now doing through persons like Thomas Paine what he has been trying to do since his fall. He is, through his power and lying wonders, tearing away the foundation of the Christian’s hope and putting out the sun that is to light them in the narrow way to heaven. He is making the world believe that the Bible is uninspired, no better than a storybook, while he holds out something to take its place; namely, spiritual manifestations! {EW 91.1}

Here is a channel wholly devoted to himself and under his control, and he can make the world believe what he will. The Book that is to judge him and his followers he puts back in the shade, just where he wants it. The Saviour of the world he makes to be no more than a common man; and as the Roman guard that watched the tomb of Jesus spread the lying report that the chief priests and elders put into their mouths, so will the poor, deluded followers of these pretended spiritual manifestations repeat and try to make it appear that there is nothing miraculous about our Saviour’s birth, death, and resurrection. After putting Jesus in the background, they attract the attention of the world to themselves and to their miracles and lying wonders, which, they declare, far exceed the works of Christ. Thus the world is taken in the snare and lulled into a feeling of security, not to find out their awful deception until the seven last plagues are poured out. Satan laughs as he sees his plan succeed so well and the whole world taken in the snare. {EW 91.2} (bold emphasis mine)


Note: The italics at the end of the first paragraph were in the statement I copied it from.

It is important to note that Satan has full control of spiritual manifistations!

I saw that the slave master [see Appendix.] will have to answer for the soul of his slave whom he has kept in ignorance; and the sins of the slave will be visited upon the master. God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master’s lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes. But He does the best thing for him that a compassionate God can do. He permits him to be as if he had not been, while the master must endure the seven last plagues and then come up in the second resurrection and suffer the second, most awful death. Then the justice of God will be satisfied. {EW 276.1} (bold emphasis mine)


I find it interesting that God will have a special resurrection for slave masters to suffer the seven last plagues.

My attention was again directed to the earth. The wicked had been destroyed, and their dead bodies were lying upon its surface. The wrath of God in the seven last plagues had been visited upon the inhabitants of the earth, causing them to gnaw their tongues from pain and to curse God. The false shepherds had been the signal objects of Jehovah’s wrath. Their eyes had consumed away in their holes, and their tongues in their mouths, while they stood upon their feet. After the saints had been delivered by the voice of God, the wicked multitude turned their rage upon one another. The earth seemed to be deluged with blood, and dead bodies were from one end of it to the other. {EW 289.3} (bold emphasis mine)


Who are these false shepherds?

I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus’ work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance. This was the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then all the saints cried out with anguish of spirit, and were delivered by the voice of God. The 144,000 triumphed. Their faces were lighted up with the glory of God. Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, “Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting.” I asked who this company were. The angel said, “These are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.” I heard them cry with a loud voice, “We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy.” And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw that they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet—trodden the Sabbath underfoot—and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting. {EW 36.2} (bold emphasis mine)


The death decree comes about because of the seven last plagues. I think it's important to remember this.

WHO causes the last plagues. Be care in your answer. See Revelation 7:1-3.

Who are the shepherd? What makes them false? Teaching lies about God. What kind of lies? Are they in the SDA church? Knowing the Truth about God's character, THE Gospel is what many do not want to hear or believe. Note your opening warning...

Where does EGW say they are resurrected? She does not! But there are slaves today. Also see Revelation 6:15-16.

And WHO causes the last plagues? Understanding this is key, don't you think?

If you wanted no discussion about whether God destroys or not, why did you bold that?

What is the wrath of God, when is it complete?

Again, I am not going into a "Does God Kill" thread!

As far as your questions are concerned APL, please, feel free to answer them all for us.

Again, I am not having a "Does God Kill" thread.

In answer to your question, Ellen White has other statements to the point that the seven last plagues are going to be as bad if not worse than we may think. God had to perform a special miracle on Sister White for her to simply watch them. They are truly going to be horrific.

WHO causes the last plagues is on point of your thread alchemy. If you can't answer that question, then you cannot understand the plagues. That are only two choices of who causes the horror of the last plagues: [1]God, or [2]The devil.

Or the same question in a different way, Why do the plagues happen?

Alchemy wrote;

"In answer to your question, Ellen White has other statements to the point that the seven last plagues are going to be as bad if not worse than we may think. God had to perform a special miracle on Sister White for her to simply watch them. They are truly going to be horrific."

APL wrote;

"WHO causes the last plagues is on point of your thread alchemy. If you can't answer that question, then you cannot understand the plagues. That are only two choices of who causes the horror of the last plagues: [1]God, or [2]The devil." (bold emphasis mine)

I did answer your question APL. What point did you miss?

Good question. What does Sister White say?

At the commencement of the holy Sabbath, January 5, 1849, we engaged in prayer with Brother Belden’s family at Rocky Hill, Connecticut, and the Holy Ghost fell upon us. I was taken off in vision to the most holy place, where I saw Jesus still interceding for Israel. On the bottom of His garment was a bell and a pomegranate. Then I saw that Jesus would not leave the most holy place until every case was decided either for salvation or destruction, and that the wrath of God could not come until Jesus had finished His work in the most holy place, laid off His priestly attire, and clothed Himself with the garments of vengeance. Then Jesus will step out from between the Father and man, and God will keep silence no longer, but pour out His wrath on those who have rejected His truth. I saw that the anger of the nations, the wrath of God, and the time to judge the dead were separate and distinct, one following the other, also that Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out. {EW 36.1}

I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus’ work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance. This was the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then all the saints cried out with anguish of spirit, and were delivered by the voice of God. The 144,000 triumphed. Their faces were lighted up with the glory of God. Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, “Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting.” I asked who this company were. The angel said, “These are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.” I heard them cry with a loud voice, “We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy.” And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw that they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet—trodden the Sabbath underfoot—and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting. {EW 36.2} (bold emphasis mine)

What DOES EGW say is the WRATH OF GOD? Romans 1 defines it. Christ demonstrated it on the Cross. The wrath of God fell upon Christ. This was the hiding of the Father's countenance. ... When the sense of the loss of His Father's favor was withdrawn, Christ had drained the last dregs in the cup of bitterness. {ST, April 14, 1898 par. 9}

When He leaves the sanctuary, darkness covers the inhabitants of the earth. In that fearful time the righteous must live in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor. The restraint which has been upon the wicked is removed, and Satan has entire control of the finally impenitent. God's long-suffering has ended. The world has rejected His mercy, despised His love, and trampled upon His law. The wicked have passed the boundary of their probation; the Spirit of God, persistently resisted, has been at last withdrawn. Unsheltered by divine grace, they have no protection from the wicked one. Satan will then plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old. {GC 614.1}

When God's presence was finally withdrawn from the Jewish nation, priests and people knew it not. Though under the control of Satan, and swayed by the most horrible and malignant passions, they still regarded themselves as the chosen of God. The ministration in the temple continued; sacrifices were offered upon its polluted altars, and daily the divine blessing was invoked upon a people guilty of the blood of God's dear Son and seeking to slay His ministers and apostles. So when the irrevocable decision of the sanctuary has been pronounced and the destiny of the world has been forever fixed, the inhabitants of the earth will know it not. The forms of religion will be continued by a people from whom the Spirit of God has been finally withdrawn; and the satanic zeal with which the prince of evil will inspire them for the accomplishment of his malignant designs, will bear the semblance of zeal for God. {GC 615.1}

That quote does not necessarily mean there is a resurrection for the slave holders of the 18th and 19th centuries. It could very well refer to slave masters who are living on earth at the time Jesus comes. Mrs. White does not speak of a special resurrection for them, at least not here. Do you have a statement where she does?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Are you sure there isn't more said about this point? Christ did suffer at the hands of evil angels and evil humans, all of which were created by Christ! Is this all that is said about the wrath of God?

How do you know she doesn't mean slave masters from all time in this statement? And if so, it would mean a special resurrection.

You have more, bring it on!

How? How we know she doesn't mean it is by not saying it? How do we know she isn't referring to martians, by not bring them up. She says nothing about all time. It doesn't absolutely preclude it, but wouldn't it be reasonable without her referring to specific other times, to conclude she's referring to those then living?

Statement quoted says "see Appendix" so here's the Appendix--
Upper case in original not mine:



Maybe the problem is in thinking this is just about the slavery in the Southern states of America back in the 19th century. A lot of those slaves DID know about God, we still sing some of their faith building songs. A lot of those slaves WILL be in heaven. They learned about the Savior Jesus Christ and clung to HIM! Had they remained in Africa they might never have known.

Of course there were some might cruel slave masters back then and they will reap their "reward".

Sorry kland, I had missed this response from you.

She may only mean those then living, but, she doesn't actually say that! I personally thought of some of her other statements about slavery in the United States and wondered if some of those wouldn't be included!

But, I don't think at all that my point was as weird as martians.

I appreciate you bringing up the Appendix to this statement dedication. But, the publishers aren't divinely inspired, as I am not. So, I really do wonder about the slave master statement. I mean, I believe there will be slaves saved from the beginning of slavery. Onesimus would be one slave I could think of.

I only brought that up to demonstrate the disconnect of reasoning.

She doesn't say living. But neither does she say dead.

Which would be more reasonable to assume? If one assumes living, is the burden of proof upon them to show it's not the dead?

There were slaves in the past.
There are slaves today.
The Bible says there will be slaves in the future.

Are you aware of Ellen White saying that Christ could have come in her day? (I'm thinking 1880s?) There were slaves then.

(bold emphasis mine)

Yes, I am aware that Jesus wanted to return in the 1880's or soon thereafter. I am also aware that there were slaves then as well. I also thought that maybe those slave owners would still be included when Christ comes in the future as well. I guess we end up with an awful lot of special resurrections?

Or we could just take the statement at face value?

Ellen White on the seven last plagues.

Plagues come after probation closes (when Christ's sanctuary work is done):

" I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus' work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints,


We will see "droplets" before probation closes, but the full unmixed plagues fall after probation is closed.

Already a few drops of God's wrath have fallen upon the earth; but when the seven last plagues shall be poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation, then it will be forever too late to repent, and find shelter. No atoning blood will then wash away the stains of sin. {CET 187.3}

Escaping the plagues

The angel said to them, "Will ye shun the seven last plagues? Will ye go to glory and enjoy all that God has prepared for those who love Him and are willing to suffer for His sake? If so, ye must die that ye may live. Get ready, get ready, get ready. Ye must have a greater preparation than ye now have, for the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate and to destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Sacrifice all to God. Lay all upon His altar--self, property, and all, a living sacrifice. It will take all to enter glory. Lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven, where no thief can approach or rust corrupt. Ye must be partakers of Christ's sufferings here if ye would be partakers with Him of His glory hereafter." {EW 66.2}
Heaven will be cheap enough, if we obtain it through suffering. We must deny self all along the way, die to self daily, let Jesus alone appear, and keep His glory continually in view. I saw that those who of late have embraced the truth would have to know what it is to suffer for Christ's sake, that they would have trials to pass through that would be keen and cutting, in order that they may be purified and fitted through suffering to receive the seal of the living God, pass through the time of trouble, see the King in His beauty, and dwell in the presence of God and of pure, holy angels. {EW 67.1}

You could.

I believe this is talking about the seven last plagues;

Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large, will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that Jesus’ work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there is finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the sins of Israel upon the head of the Scape Goat. Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues will come upon the wicked, and they do not come till Jesus puts on that garment, and takes His place upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are falling, the Scape Goat is being led away. He makes a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that leads him. If he should effect his escape, Israel would lose their lives. I saw that it would take time to lead away the Scape Goat into the land of forgetfulness after the sins were put on his head. {SpM 2.1}