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Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Rick H] #181473
09/26/16 01:58 AM
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If the deadly wound was healed prior to 1929, why was the pope not ruling his papal states in 1929?

Why was the Roman Question even a QUESTION in 1929 if the deadly wound had been healed in the 1870's?

Mrs White lived until 1914. Why did she not affirm that the deadly wound had been healed prior to her death? She had no difficulty stating when it was inflicted and naming the specific pope (Pius VI) who received the deadly wound.

There is a problem with the idea that the deadly wound was healed before 1914.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: dedication] #181476
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Originally Posted By: dedication
We are very close to end of time, on this point I fully agree.
I also agree we must not wait for a Sunday law to pass before taking this seriously, the sealing time is now and will soon be over. This is very present truth!!! Today is the time to seek the Lord with all our hearts, minds and souls. Today we are to lift up our heads for our redemption draweth nigh.



However, I do not believe we should set a series of dates for events after 1844. Please permit me to explain why.

1. Christ could have come ere this.
In 1883 EGW wrote == " Had Adventists, after the great disappointment in 1844, held fast their faith and followed on unitedly in the opening providence of God, receiving the message of the third angel and in the power of the Holy Spirit proclaiming it to the world, they would have seen the salvation of God, the Lord would have wrought mightily with their efforts, the work would have been completed, and Christ would have come ere this to receive His people" Ev 695

Thus all the judgment of living and dead and the sealing could have been finished ere 1883. The deadly wound could have been healed ere 1883.


2. The sealing work has been taking place in our lives for many years, it's a process, not a sudden stamped on condition.
The Holy Spirit is doing that sealing work in our lives NOW if we are willing and surrendered, and just before probation closes God draws His "blanket" of protection marked with His seal over all who have submitted to the sealing process.
"Before the work is closed up and the sealing of God's people is finished, we shall receive the outpouring of the Spirit of God. Angels from heaven will be in our midst. The present is a fitting-up time for heaven when we must walk in full obedience to all the commands of God.--Letter 30, 1907. {1SM 111.3}
"Satan was trying his every art to hold them where they were, until the sealing was past, until the covering was drawn over God's people, and they left without a shelter from the burning wrath of God, in the seven last plagues. God has begun to draw this covering over His people, and it will soon be drawn over all who are to have a shelter in the day of slaughter. God will work in power for His people; and Satan will be permitted to work also.
{EW 44.2}


3. The healing of the beast's wound.

To say the wound was healed in 1929 is to deny what caused the wound in the first place. It suggests the "wound" was the losing of the Vatican States, and the healing the regaining of the Vatican States, But in 1798 the Vatican did not lose the Vatican States. It was in 1870, when the annexation of the papal territory put an official end to the Papal States. This was reversed with the Lateran Treaty of 1929, which set up Vatican City as an independent state. To say the wound was healed in 1929 one would have to say it wasn't inflicted until 1870.

However, when one realizes the wound was inflicted in 1798 when there was an official change in LAW removing from the papacy the political power to enforce religion upon the masses, then we realize the healing of the wound will come when LAWS give the papacy (and her daughters) the right to enforce religion upon the masses.

4. The time of trouble has not yet begun
Though the winds of strife are building with relentless power, they are not yet released. Though everything is being set up for oppressive laws taking away religious freedoms, they have not yet been enforced. BUT Don't wait till those winds are released to surrender your lives to God, the sealing process is NOW, and if we submit to that process God's covering of salvation will be over us when those winds are released.

We are VERY CLOSE to the end of time.
When the end comes it will strike with sudden tremendous force.





Excellent post, dedication.

I completely agree that 1929 could NOT be the healing of the deadly wound.

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Alchemy] #181480
09/26/16 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy
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Excellent post, dedication.

I completely agree that 1929 could NOT be the healing of the deadly wound.


There is merit in having the right message at the right time.

But too often the specifics that are needed are not cherished as much as the generalizations that are of not of sufficient value.

For example: When we begin a journey, it is sufficient to know the destination and get on the right route. But when we near our destination, specific turns and land marks become more important. The superhighway or friendly skys will take us to LA, but the city map is needed to get us to the specific address.

And sometimes even those who follow the directions to the T do not realize that they did not understand the directions until they are supposed to be at their destination and only then discover that they are lost.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Rick H] #181481
09/26/16 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
The SOP tells us that probation comes to a close, shortly before the Second Coming...

Lets read more of what the SOP tells us about the image of the beast of the Last Days:

“When the early church became corrupted by departing from the simplicity of the gospel and accepting heathen rites and customs, she lost the Spirit and power of God; and in order to control the consciences of the people, she sought the support of the secular power. The result was the papacy, a church that controlled the power of the state, and employed it to further her own ends.. In order for the United States to form an image of the beast, the religious power must so control the civil government that the authority of the state will also be employed by the church to accomplish her own ends. . . . The "image to the beast" represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas.--GC 443, 445 (1911).


It is Present Truth that the RC has priests that have been seduced by fornication (male with male) and that the Apostate Protestant Churches have become corrupted by this specific form of fornication as a new standard in the marriage relationship.

President Obama has accepted this deviation from God's word as if it is gospel. The Supreme Court has adopted it as the law of the land and the Church is tolerating this abomination.

Now President Obama has a body of 23 religious advisers who have the authority to make "recommendations to the President and the Administration on changes in policies, programs, and practices"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ofbnp/about/council

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The law of God is the only rule of rectitude. Those who are loyal to that law will not be found transgressors of the law of their country, unless the law-makers shall exceed their rights, and enact laws in opposition to the law of God; then God must be obeyed. "If ye love Me," says Christ, "keep My commandments." The world may set up its standards and maxims, and governments may enact laws; but if they are counter to the law of Jehovah, the Christian must necessarily be loyal to God, whatever may be the consequences. {BEcho, August 5, 1895 par. 1}


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A time is coming when the law of God is, in a special sense, to be made void in our land. The rulers of our nation will, by legislative enactments, enforce the Sunday law, and thus God's people be brought into great peril. When our nation, in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in our land; and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin. We see that those who are now keeping the commandments of God need to bestir themselves, that they may obtain the special help which God alone can give them. They should work more earnestly to delay as long as possible the threatened calamity. If, in our land of boasted freedom, a Protestant government should sacrifice every principle which enters into its Constitution, and propagate papal falsehood and delusion, well may we plead, "It is time for thee, Lord, to work, for they have made void thy law." {RH, December 18, 1888 par. 6}


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: His child] #181484
09/28/16 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: Alchemy
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Excellent post, dedication.

I completely agree that 1929 could NOT be the healing of the deadly wound.


There is merit in having the right message at the right time.

But too often the specifics that are needed are not cherished as much as the generalizations that are of not of sufficient value.

For example: When we begin a journey, it is sufficient to know the destination and get on the right route. But when we near our destination, specific turns and land marks become more important. The superhighway or friendly skys will take us to LA, but the city map is needed to get us to the specific address.

And sometimes even those who follow the directions to the T do not realize that they did not understand the directions until they are supposed to be at their destination and only then discover that they are lost.


Personally, I found the four points made by dedication to be present truth and Biblically sound.

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Alchemy] #181485
09/29/16 12:48 AM
09/29/16 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy

Personally, I found the four points made by dedication to be present truth and Biblically sound.


I do not find her as enlightened as you seem to... It is the Holy Spirit's job to lead us to all truth. I'll not trouble you if you are satisfied with dedication's presentation...


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Rick H] #181487
09/29/16 04:24 AM
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Daniel 11:40-45; 12:1 describes the time right before the close of probation. I have not seen this happen yet, the events could happen quickly. These verses give us the final waymark to know what is happening in the Heavenly Sanctuary.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: APL] #181488
09/29/16 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Daniel 11:40-45; 12:1 describes the time right before the close of probation. I have not seen this happen yet, the events could happen quickly. These verses give us the final waymark to know what is happening in the Heavenly Sanctuary.


you are not old enough to remember it.
Daniel 11 starts with the 3 kings in Persia (Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes) who issued the decrees to rebuild the temple (the 2300-year prophecy spilled out verse by verse).
And 12:1 is Christ standing for His people in 1844 ( at the end of the 2300-years).

Then the command in Revelation 10 to prophesy again is a command to repeat the prophecy in Daniel 11.

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The prophecy in the eleventh of Daniel has nearly reached its complete fulfillment. Much of the history that has taken place in fulfillment of this prophecy will be repeated. In the thirtieth verse a power is spoken of that "shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant." [Verses 31-36, quoted.] {13MR 394.1}


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Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: His child] #181491
09/29/16 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: dedication

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We looked upon the bust of Pius VI. The marble statue beneath the bust contained the heart of the pope. This is the pope specified in prophecy, which received the deadly wound. {5MR 318.1}


[quote] And prophecy foretells a restoration of her power. “I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast.” [Revelation 13:3.] The infliction of the deadly wound points to the abolition of the papacy in 1798. After this, says the prophet, “His deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast.” {GC88 578.3}


One of his heads---The Pius head received the deadly wound (Pius VI), and the Pius head received the healing of the deadly wound (Pius XI).

Pius VI lost his position as head of church and state when he was imprisoned in 1798--he died in captivity without ever being restored, but the Pius head was restored through Pius XI in 1929.

The healing process will continue, but 1798 and 1929 fulfill prophecy sufficiently to identify the seven pope that were to rule for One Hour (83-years 4-months) from 14 October 1929 (Day of Atonement that immediately followed the healing of the deadly wound) until 14 February 2013 (when Benedict ended the solo pope papacy)
So you would mean Pius VI was the 5th head?

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Pius XI & XII
John XXIII
Paul VI
John-Paul I

And therefore Pius XII would be the 7th head.

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Rick H] #181494
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Originally Posted By: Henry Hills
you are not old enough to remember it.
Daniel 11 starts with the 3 kings in Persia (Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes) who issued the decrees to rebuild the temple (the 2300-year prophecy spilled out verse by verse).
And 12:1 is Christ standing for His people in 1844 ( at the end of the 2300-years).

Then the command in Revelation 10 to prophesy again is a command to repeat the prophecy in Daniel 11.
You are right, I did not live back when Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes lived. But your interpretation of Daniel 12:1 is not in line with the Adventist interpretation of that verse. Daniel 12:1 is not 1844, but the close of the 3rd Angel's Message and the close of probation and the time of trouble. (See The Great Controversy, Chapter 39). EGW clearly states that Michael has not yet stood up in the time after 1844: I saw that Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. I saw that the nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, then He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then will the seven last plagues be poured out. {Ms2-1849} "When Michael stands up this trouble will be all over the earth." {Ms1-1848} How my soul is drawn out for the State of Michigan, planning day and night, dreaming and waking, to arouse our brethren to see and to seize the opportunities within our reach, before Michael shall stand up, before probation closes. . {Lt38-1886} I won't now quote other Adventist Pioneers which plainly state the meaning end of Daniel 11 and Daniel 12 and it does not match your above interpretation.

Perhaps the most troubling part of your claims is that it is about your tweets, your interpretations, your claims. Your claims are not about Christ but about you. Why is that? There is a message to proclaimed, and many reject this truth.

It is the darkness of misapprehension of God that is enshrouding the world. Men are losing their knowledge of His character. It has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. At this time a message from God is to be proclaimed, a message illuminating in its influence and saving in its power. His character is to be made known. Into the darkness of the world is to be shed the light of His glory, the light of His goodness, mercy, and truth. {COL 415.3}

This is the work outlined by the prophet Isaiah in the words, "O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and His arm shall rule for Him; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him."
Isaiah 40:9,10. {COL 415.4}

What happens when Obama is out of office? Will you then back peddle and come up with a different interpretation? The end events will be rapid ones. There is a work to be done now of putting off of sin and knowing God as He is. This is not dependent on Obama being in or out of office. It is not dependent on he being number 44.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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